Facts about Jager's performance

He actually was very smooth all the way through. I think he got a little excited about opening up that gap on the last lap and he actually relaxed (mentally) a bit knowing he had the win, and as you say, lost complete focus on the last jump. Def. a 12:50ish 5000 ahead.

The Dirty Duck wrote:

Thanks, Malmo. I get it, more or less. Hope you don't object if I give him 1 second on a cooler day and 3 seconds if he stays on his feet and call him a 7:56 steepler on a better day...

No objection at all. I personally am going to start calling him a 7:47 hurdler but to each his own.

Did djej wrote:

1. He led Jairus by 1.9 seconds before falling on the barrier. He would have run 7:56.x had he not fallen (Jairus ran 7:58.83).

2. The run was in 89 degree heat. Not optimal for anything above 800m

3. The pacing was good (7:57 is 2:39 per k and they hit 2:37, 2:40 with the rabbit)

3. Now I know you people are wondering what this means for his ability at 5000m, and the fact is, HE WOULD BE ABLE TO GO SUB 12:50. If you don't believe me, Shaheen was in 12:40 shape according to Renato when he was in 7:51-7:53 steeple shape. While in similarly better 1500m shape (3:30 to Jager's 3:31-3:32 right now).

Everyone keeps saying 7:55 or 7:56, I say 7:57 or 7:58, he was dying, that's why he went down. Jager probably would have won that race by just a couple of strides because the other guys was gaining. Jager's recent steeple and 1500 says he is definitely in sub-13 shape, but if he was capable of running a 12:40 5K, he would probably never run another steeple in his life. Just like no 400 meter hurdler would choose that event if they could run a 43x 400m. No one chooses the steeple or the 400h, those events choose them because they can be great as opposed to very good at other events.

Not everyone. Several folks have CORRECTLY pointed out that he was en route to 7:57 high.

even that linked article indicates that ten degrees cooler Dew Point is much more comfortable, and while running in Paris in 85 deg weather feels a lot better than doing it in Florida in 78 degree weather, it feels better to run in Paris in 70 deg weather. I ran there for a summer and while it was never nearly as bad as on the east coast in the summer, I felt a major difference from weather in the mid-80s and 90s to the more customary mid 60s and 70s, as is obvious.

Did djej wrote:

1. He led Jairus by 1.9 seconds before falling on the barrier. He would have run 7:56.x had he not fallen (Jairus ran 7:58.83).

2. The run was in 89 degree heat. Not optimal for anything above 800m

3. The pacing was good (7:57 is 2:39 per k and they hit 2:37, 2:40 with the rabbit)

3. Now I know you people are wondering what this means for his ability at 5000m, and the fact is, HE WOULD BE ABLE TO GO SUB 12:50. If you don't believe me, Shaheen was in 12:40 shape according to Renato when he was in 7:51-7:53 steeple shape. While in similarly better 1500m shape (3:30 to Jager's 3:31-3:32 right now).

The subject line says "Facts"

And then there are virtually no facts in the post.

1. "would have" is not a fact

2. There are disagreements on optimal conditions - no fact here

3. Calling a pace good is an opinions not a fact, even if it is a common opinion

The second 3. (why no 4.?) Potential 5000m is certainly no fact

The only fact in the post was the 1.9 second lead at the last barrier.