Salazar called Gatlin sabotage claim "preposterous" in 2006

ComeOnRojo wrote:

unless you want to believe that he fabricated that email in 2009 to cover his tracks in the future related to the testing (possible but not plausible in my estimation) who cares at all what he thought in 2006? There is contemporaneous evidence that supports that he did the test in 2009 after Galen became concerned for the reason of fear of being sabotaged.

There is evidence that he exchanged these e-mails with Brown because he was doing the tests, yes. No one disputes this.

But there is no evidence of his motive. You have to take the "why," not the "what," at his word.

Many people are making exactly the mistake Salazar is counting on: that by showing e-mail evidence relating only to his stated motive (sabotage prevention) along with the details of the experiment -- why would he tell Brown the truth and leave that trail even if he trusted him? -- he can convince people that the entire package is true (motive plus details). He is using the e-mails pertaining to the number of smears, etc. as a Trojan Horse to sneak the "I did this for innocent reason" part inside the gates.

Accepting this "package" involves a clear and seemingly obvious error in reasoning.

2009 email "I'll sleep better now after drug tests at big meetings knowing someone didn't sabotage us!- Alberto" So you can say the why is at his word but it's documented in 2009. I agree that there's nothing beyond that but it's not like he made up the whole back story in 2015 after the allegations came out. I don't think it's accurate to say it's "an obvious error in reasoning" to accept that story. It's a matter of judgement/opinion if you want to believe his story that he was concerned about sabatoge (as he stated at the time in 2009) or you feel that story was a coverup for determining how much androgel he could rub on Galen before triggering a positive test.

KMB wrote:

There is evidence that he exchanged these e-mails with Brown because he was doing the tests, yes. No one disputes this.

But there is no evidence of his motive. You have to take the "why," not the "what," at his word.

Many people are making exactly the mistake Salazar is counting on: that by showing e-mail evidence relating only to his stated motive (sabotage prevention) along with the details of the experiment -- why would he tell Brown the truth and leave that trail even if he trusted him? -- he can convince people that the entire package is true (motive plus details). He is using the e-mails pertaining to the number of smears, etc. as a Trojan Horse to sneak the "I did this for innocent reason" part inside the gates.

Accepting this "package" involves a clear and seemingly obvious error in reasoning.

Let's be clear that there's no evidence that Salazar's emails are legitimate. They weren't produced by a 3rd party or for a subpoena. Who knows. The testosterone experiment was pretty unbelievable on its face.

Bbbbbbtent wrote:

Let's be clear that there's no evidence that Salazar's emails are legitimate. They weren't produced by a 3rd party or for a subpoena. Who knows. The testosterone experiment was pretty unbelievable on its face.

I've wondered the same thing myself. How do we know these emails are legitimate in the first place? Everyone involved in the emails has something to lose if Salazar goes down. Salazar has emails to prove every single thing, dating back almost 10 years. What a coincidence!

ComeOnRojo wrote:

I don't think it's accurate to say it's "an obvious error in reasoning" to accept that story. It's a matter of judgement/opinion if you want to believe his story that he was concerned about sabatoge

OK, I'll walk that "error in reasoning" back to "it's wrong to see that 2009 e-mail as mitigating." You are right in that there's room for guessing here.

My view is pretty simple. Those who reckon that Salazar was being truthful about being concerned about sabotage are basing this largely on, "Well, he IS a paranoid and meticulous S.O.B." I agree that he is, but all this suggests is that he conducted those tests for scurrilous reasons, then OF COURSE he would wind up with an e-mail exchange like that one to keep on hand for whatever reason.

If the cheating part is already assumed, then it's safe to say Salazar lied about it as much as he needed to or could get away with. He would certainly want to leave a record of having supposedly done the tests for the reason he would claim he did if someone found out about them.

If Salazar needed Jeffret Brown's help with the tests, do people really think he would have been honest with Brown (or anyone else) about this, via e-mail or otherwise?

See how easy it is to explain all the weirdness in Salazar's letter if you start from the premise that he's most likely lying instead of the premise that he's most likely telling the truth?

ComeOnRojo wrote:

I would agree this was interesting except for one key fact; the email from Salazar in 2009 after the tests were ran saying he'll sleep better now knowing that there isn't a chance of them being sabotaged at the big meets (exhibit 17 in his response) So unless you want to believe that he fabricated that email in 2009 to cover his tracks in the future related to the testing (possible but not plausible in my estimation) who cares at all what he thought in 2006? There is contemporaneous evidence that supports that he did the test in 2009 after Galen became concerned for the reason of fear of being sabotaged.

All that being said I think it's crazy and not defensible to run tests on your son for those purposes but the emails from the time support his explanation.

A 2009 email is very strange, but not for the reason you think.

The revelation about the Androgel/sabotage conspiracy test came from Magness, right? Magness didn't start working at NOP until sometime in 2010. All Alberto did here (assuming the email is real) is prove that he resumed testing Androgel on his son after the date of those emails.

Did anyone read the ESPN article(s)?

Trevor Graham just got done recounting with details how he thinks the sabotage occurred, in another ESPN interview, and Salazar is responding to that.

Salazar called Trevor Graham's story "preposterous". He found it "preposterous" that Graham would have let Whetstine give the first massage, after seeing a mysterious tube being pulled out of his pants pocket, or that Graham would have continued to work with Gatlin for two more months after such an incident.

Salazar did not comment so much on the possibility of sabotage, or it's effectiveness, but that Graham would have prevented any sabotage from happening in the first place, after seeing the pink tube with an "S" on it.

Brojos mentioned this in their coverage:

"In fairness to the Salazar camp, much of Salazar’s defense was not specifically on whether sabotage would put someone over the T/E ratio, but rather on how Salazar believed Graham would not give Whetstine access to Justin after he saw something suspicious. Salazar said, “It’s ridiculous. He never would have gotten anywhere near Justin (after Graham saw something suspicious).”"

Help me with the logic of the "CYA with e-mail trails" theory.An essential part of the "package" is that, despite the sketchiness of possessing Testosterone cream, and conducting Testosterone experiments on non-athlete employees/family, Alberto is "not" doping his athletes. If his athletes test positive for Testosterone, or some finally come out that they took or witnessed it, that changes things drastically.Let's suppose one day, the worse case scenario, that Rupp tests positive for Testosterone. Will these "CYE emails" somehow soften the blow, or reduce the penalty? Accidental or not, I don't see any potential leniency from USADA. I would say a positive test (a new piece of evidence) would force many to rethink the motives of 2009.