"Gray" Area Cheating Scandal Comes to LetsRun.com Prediction Contest

god bless distance runners

this is the whole point

excellent

LetsRun.com wrote:

Our emailer will get a free LRC (Not Rupp Certified) TShirt.

Aw poor guy, I know he cheated but does he really deserve that?

I think you're arbitrarily applying a 2:1 C/I ratio (correct/incorrect) to see who's cheating and who's not. Some cheaters might deliberately have gotten one wrong to avoid suspicion. On other other hand maybe somebody got all three right due to a naturally high level of correctness.

Just throw out any points from 5000m results on all entries.

Bad Wigins wrote:

I think you're arbitrarily applying a 2:1 C/I ratio (correct/incorrect) to see who's cheating and who's not. Some cheaters might deliberately have gotten one wrong to avoid suspicion. On other other hand maybe somebody got all three right due to a naturally high level of correctness.

Good point. I only threw out the people who had both men's and women's 5k perfectly correctly. A smart cheater would have missed one.

YEAH BUDDY wrote:

LetsRun.com wrote:

Our emailer will get a free LRC (Not Rupp Certified) TShirt.

Aw poor guy, I know he cheated but does he really deserve that?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

YEAH BUDDY wrote:

LetsRun.com wrote:

Our emailer will get a free LRC (Not Rupp Certified) TShirt.

Aw poor guy, I know he cheated but does he really deserve that?

Why are you saying he cheated? The rules allowed him to change the picks. Weldon failed to update the lockout time after USATF changed the schedule.

The dude didn't cheat. How dare you say that. You sound like one of the brojos. Who the hell cares about the ethics of the sport. In any endeavor, if you aren't doing EVERYTHING that you are allowed to, then you arent' trying.

Sincerely,

Rojo

PS. My interview with the NOP went great this afternoon.

LetsRun.com wrote:

I've won a gift certificate from one of these before and it feels better when it is legitimate.

I won a t-shirt in 2007. I am expecting it to arrive any day now.

Funny, I noticed the unupdated times in the morning and thought about emailing you guys ahead of time to make sure this didn't happen, but didn't because I didn't think anyone would be silly enough to actually cheat at this. That probably says a lot about my attitude toward track too. No wonder I'm so naive sometimes

rojo wrote:

YEAH BUDDY wrote:

Aw poor guy, I know he cheated but does he really deserve that?

Why are you saying he cheated? The rules allowed him to change the picks. Weldon failed to update the lockout time after USATF changed the schedule.

The dude didn't cheat. How dare you say that. You sound like one of the brojos. Who the hell cares about the ethics of the sport. In any endeavor, if you aren't doing EVERYTHING that you are allowed to, then you arent' trying.

Sincerely,

Rojo

PS. My interview with the NOP went great this afternoon.

That simply is false. You still have up:

You can change your picks for events that haven’t started here.

The 5Ks both started so you were breaking the rules (and cheating) if you changed your picks after they started even though you guys forgot to close out the 5K picks once the guns went off. You can't run a contest where people can go all Back to the Future 2 and win just because you guys were caught up watching the races and forgot to lock the picks.

In any event, thanks for hosting the contest as it makes following the meet much more fun. I look forward to your next one for Worlds and where I hope to win without cheating.

This is the best thread I've seen in months. A+

rojo wrote:

Why are you saying he cheated? The rules allowed him to change the picks. Weldon failed to update the lockout time after USATF changed the schedule.

The dude didn't cheat. How dare you say that. You sound like one of the brojos. Who the hell cares about the ethics of the sport. In any endeavor, if you aren't doing EVERYTHING that you are allowed to, then you arent' trying.

Sincerely,

Rojo

PS. My interview with the NOP went great this afternoon.

YEAH BUDDY was saying that "winning" an LRC shirt is actually a punishment that's too extreme for the winners behavior. The shirt is so ugly and so poorly designed that it would be a burden to receive one in the mail. You'd need to hold down your vomit as you carried it to the nearest dumpster.

Good guy right there

Am I crazy if I really don't see this as cheating? The polls didn't close, the rules didn't say you had to stop voting by a certain time. If they did then that would have been cheating, but what happened is completely fine in my book.

Good point. I only threw out the people who had both men's and women's 5k perfectly correctly. A smart cheater would have missed one.

So you're saying they should have microdosed their answers?

just like track wrote:

Good point. I only threw out the people who had both men's and women's 5k perfectly correctly. A smart cheater would have missed one.

So you're saying they should have microdosed their answers?

We need a thumbs up voting system. So freaking clever. You would win post of the day for sure.

What's the issue? wrote:

Am I crazy if I really don't see this as cheating? The polls didn't close, the rules didn't say you had to stop voting by a certain time. If they did then that would have been cheating, but what happened is completely fine in my book.

Yes you are.

1) It's called a Prediction Contest. Prediction is a forecast. So the name of the contest implies this is illegal.

2) The page said, "You can change your picks for events that havent started here."

That too implies changing picks afterwards is illegal.

Rojo

The parallels between this and the NOP allegations are actually scary.

I tested it on my son's prediction account during the race, to make sure it wouldn't raise any issues. Once I knew I could get away with it, I went full bore with perfect picks after the race.

rojo wrote:

What's the issue? wrote:

Am I crazy if I really don't see this as cheating? The polls didn't close, the rules didn't say you had to stop voting by a certain time. If they did then that would have been cheating, but what happened is completely fine in my book.

Yes you are.

1) It's called a Prediction Contest. Prediction is a forecast. So the name of the contest implies this is illegal.

2) The page said, "You can change your picks for events that havent started here."

That too implies changing picks afterwards is illegal.

Rojo

The parallels between this and the NOP allegations are actually scary.

You can't expect people to abide by implied rules, if the rule isn't explicit then breaking it isn't cheating.