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  • partly agree
    5 years ago 06/28/2015 5:59pm CDT
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    n00f wrote:

    kara cries again, clearly dilusional...nothing illegal even happened she's just butthurt about her relationship and drama between her family and NOP. It's ridiculous, either talk about it or dont.

    Dramas like that, little things get blown up, I see it at work and in life all the time. Drama for the sake of drama, these people who tell her things are just drumming her to bond over pointing their fingers at others to bring themselves up. I'm sure it's painful for her but it's not what shes making it seem, there's nothing here but a broken relationship and career

    It seemed very drama for your mama from someone having their emotions take over. It seems the bad blood between AS and the Goucher's are a big reason for the way she acted. I think she knew she likely wasn't going to race great today but wanted to be part of the drama atmosphere.
  • Hayduke
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    5 years ago 06/28/2015 5:59pm CDT
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    Interesting Quotess wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo0QBCuYZcc

    Kara's response. I fully believe her and I know the truth will prevail.


    i guess im jaded but I don't really see Kara as an innocent part of the entire NOP situation. She had a few great years and then it ended about the time she left. my gut says maybe she tried it, and when it didn't end in a boston victory or a gold medal she felt the risk wasn't worth it.
  • karalookatmegoucher
    5 years ago 06/28/2015 6:01pm CDT
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    "I want people to like me" - Kara G.

    That sums it up perfectly.
  • spearchucker
    5 years ago 06/28/2015 6:22pm CDT
    re: Bonkers
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    This entire thread is beginning to sound suspiciously like the Kip Litton thread...
  • Once an Expert
    5 years ago 06/28/2015 6:26pm CDT
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    Kara is either being 100 percent truthful or she's a sociopath.

    I'm 95% sure it's the former.
  • Currently an Expert
    5 years ago 06/28/2015 6:29pm CDT
    re: Once an Expert
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    The time for character-assassination has passed by Freud PR employee. It is far too late for that tactic to have any effect.
  • jimmy duke
    5 years ago 06/28/2015 6:41pm CDT
    re: Once an Expert
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    Wow, she is just sad. I don't believe a word out of her two faced mouth.
  • MikeM
    5 years ago 06/28/2015 6:43pm CDT
    re: Bonkers
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    Bonkers wrote:

    one thing we know, this whole saga is far from over. Salazar's rebuttal basically gave his critics no other option but to come at him with everything they've got, whether it's personal or professional critiques.

    I am fascinated to hear her version of why Adam and Alberto fell out. Alberto basically claimed that Adam was mentally and emotionally unstable.

    Exactly. It feels more like a soap opera at this point. I feel like zero allegations of doping are true. What seems more likely is that he used supplements and got word from USADA/WADA before doing so, but people are just upset at how the NOP went about doing things. USADA/WADA are investigating all allegations, as they should, but Alberto has always stated he would use any and all means necessary to gain an edge and it looks like he has. Other don't like it and view it as shady and he doesn't. He also seems to rub people the wrong way. So although 17 ( or 30 people) seem high, given his longevity in the sport lets say since 2000 he has pissed about 2 people off each year so much that they are coming forward with things they didn't like or had to think 2x about. I am sure they weren't all aware whether he sought guidance from WADA/USADA, so they brought it to them and we are now finding out he had.

    People saying Galen comes off as guilty must be watching something else. He comes off as gracious and tired of all of this. What can he really do?

    If anything happens, a more transparent sport hopefully results and people feel like WADA/USADA will investigate suspicions. But on the flip side, once they are investigated there needs to be resolution. If they find nothing, then I also agree, STFU unless you have hard evidence. At this point Kara does come off as trying to play the martyr and get some PR time instead of getting via running fast. Galen and other NOP members are under pressure and scrutiny and won races. She didn't.

    I find it hard to believe 'people have been threatened'. It is more likely that peoples emotions are running high and are pissed on both sides. Lets not turn this into some MS/HS level drama (although it seems like it already is).
  • Chet Manly
    5 years ago 06/28/2015 6:57pm CDT
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    so many twists wrote:

    From following the Lance case, the only thing that has or hasn't surprised is the lack of EPO talk.

    There was that talk about refrigerated vials, but was that not credible or was it allergy stuff?

    I'm kind of surprised more people aren't focusing on the lack of EPO use accusations. If Salazar is the massive cheater that some of you think he is would he really not use the most effective (and nearly undetectable) method?
  • Evian Mars
    5 years ago 06/28/2015 7:02pm CDT
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    At this point it seems extremely unlikely that the allegations against Salazar are true. Mud has been thrown, but what has stuck? Some extremely spurious claims which even if true would not constitute doping.

    Those who have brought allegations forward have been embedded within the Salazar camp for years but not one of them have levelled a specific charge other than that a 16 year old Rupp.

    If doping did occur within Salazar's charges it would be rife. Those bringing claims forward would be able to point to specific incidences where they were either offered performance enhancing drugs or saw other takes them.
  • heysus
    5 years ago 06/28/2015 7:02pm CDT
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    MikeM wrote:
    Exactly. It feels more like a soap opera at this point. I feel like zero allegations of doping are true. What seems more likely is that he used supplements and got word from USADA/WADA before doing so, but people are just upset at how the NOP went about doing things. USADA/WADA are investigating all allegations, as they should, but Alberto has always stated he would use any and all means necessary to gain an edge and it looks like he has. Other don't like it and view it as shady and he doesn't. He also seems to rub people the wrong way. So although 17 ( or 30 people) seem high, given his longevity in the sport lets say since 2000 he has pissed about 2 people off each year so much that they are coming forward with things they didn't like or had to think 2x about. I am sure they weren't all aware whether he sought guidance from WADA/USADA, so they brought it to them and we are now finding out he had.

    This makes more sense than anything else I have read on the topic. 100% in agreement, this is the entire story in a nutshell.
  • MikeM the PR shil
    5 years ago 06/28/2015 7:05pm CDT
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    Ah, MikeM from the UK-based Freud PR firm is back in action. Good to have you back, mate.

    You do know you will not win. As long as your firm is spending Salazar's money, then it is all good.
  • Evan Ares
    5 years ago 06/28/2015 7:08pm CDT
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    Evian Mars wrote:
    At this point it seems extremely unlikely that the allegations against Salazar are true. Mud has been thrown, but what has stuck? Some extremely spurious claims which even if true would not constitute doping.

    Those who have brought allegations forward have been embedded within the Salazar camp for years but not one of them have levelled a specific charge other than that a 16 year old Rupp.

    If doping did occur within Salazar's charges it would be rife. Those bringing claims forward would be able to point to specific incidences where they were either offered performance enhancing drugs or saw other takes them.

    Another Brit PR drone at work. Keep up the character-assassination work. So typical of PR underhanded tactics.
  • eagerly awaiting
    5 years ago 06/28/2015 7:08pm CDT
    re: Bonkers
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    Bonkers wrote:

    I am fascinated to hear her version of why Adam and Alberto fell out. Alberto basically claimed that Adam was mentally and emotionally unstable.

    I 100 percent believe Kara's telling the truth. I think it's absolute BS that people say she's doing all this to stay relevant or be in the spotlight. Yeah, I'm sure she's LOVING being threatened & having this hell at the forefront of her life. I think she's doing what she's doing for a clear conscious & for her son. Assuming he pursues track, she wants (or at least a better chance at) a clean sport for her son.

    I, too, am very interested in what Kara says caused the conflict between AlSal & Adam. For some reason I could see it being something crazy like AlSal was in love with her & probably even came on to her, but who knows, maybe I'm way off & it's drug or running related. Will be interesting.
  • yoyomama
    5 years ago 06/28/2015 7:18pm CDT
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    The only thing that didn't ring true to me in that interview, is when Kara said the "media have been harrasssing me...FOR YEARS, since 2011" or something like that.

    WHAT?

    I've been to many of her press conferences over the years and I've never once witnessed any writers "harassing" Kara or even asking any tough questions (except "what happened" after a loss? or what it was like to come back from pregnancy.) I can't even fathom what they would have been "harrassing" her about.

    Anyone else have some insight? Any other media know what she's talking about?
  • the ointment
    5 years ago 06/28/2015 7:18pm CDT
    re: eagerly awaiting
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    Likely Salazar had wayward fingers when applying lotion, something he decided he only he can do like he does with Rupp, and he wanted work the same magic with the women.
  • look at it this way
    5 years ago 06/28/2015 7:19pm CDT
    re: Interesting Quotess
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    i would threaten someone too if they were telling lies and questioning my methods/integrity without providing any actual proof of wrongdoing.
  • yoyopapa
    5 years ago 06/28/2015 7:22pm CDT
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    What I come away with is that your claim of being at Kara's press conferences since 2011 is extremely odd. It is simply not a believable claim.

    yoyomama wrote:
    The only thing that didn't ring true to me in that interview, is when Kara said the "media have been harrasssing me...FOR YEARS, since 2011" or something like that.

    WHAT?

    I've been to many of her press conferences over the years and I've never once witnessed any writers "harassing" Kara or even asking any tough questions (except "what happened" after a loss? or what it was like to come back from pregnancy.) I can't even fathom what they would have been "harrassing" her about.

    Anyone else have some insight? Any other media know what she's talking about?
  • Doesn't work that way
    5 years ago 06/28/2015 7:25pm CDT
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    look at it this way wrote:
    i would threaten someone too if they were telling lies and questioning my methods/integrity without providing any actual proof of wrongdoing.

    this is not a legal situation as exists in the UK, Brit. you PR-folks suffer from a grave misunderstanding about how athletics cheaters are brought down to the floor across the pond.
  • We, we sd Sally to Kara?
    5 years ago 06/28/2015 7:25pm CDT
    re: eagerly awaiting
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    eagerly awaiting wrote:

    Bonkers wrote:

    I am fascinated to hear her version of why Adam and Alberto fell out. Alberto basically claimed that Adam was mentally and emotionally unstable.

    I 100 percent believe Kara's telling the truth. I think it's absolute BS that people say she's doing all this to stay relevant or be in the spotlight. Yeah, I'm sure she's LOVING being threatened & having this hell at the forefront of her life. I think she's doing what she's doing for a clear conscious & for her son. Assuming he pursues track, she wants (or at least a better chance at) a clean sport for her son.

    I, too, am very interested in what Kara says caused the conflict between AlSal & Adam. For some reason I could see it being something crazy like AlSal was in love with her & probably even came on to her, but who knows, maybe I'm way off & it's drug or running related. Will be interesting.


    Goucher and Oiselle - what else do they have to get any attention?

    What real harm can come from attacking evil Al and Nike, said Sally to Kara. We'll just bank on "Mamma Goucher's aw shucks wholesome goodness" and there have been lots of allegations (even if no real evidence).
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