KMB wrote:
Karas Nose wrote:
1) She lied about when she got the Cytomel bottle.
Please link to a source that establishes exactly when Alberto gave her this bottle.
Karas Nose wrote:
2) She lied that Alberto thought she was fat before Boston.
You can read Alberto's mind?
Salazar posts some e-mails that only someone already convinced of Alberto's rectitude would view of evidence of Alberto not encouraging her to lose weight during her 2011 Boston Marathon build-up.
Her nutritionist even said on March 25 of that year: "The plan is to work off [ ] every month. I believe based on how things are going, she will have another [ ] by Boston that will naturally come off." (The [ ]s represent redacted numbers.)
Salazar responds with "I don't want her shooting for something she can't hit." That's not the same as insisting that he's happy with her weight. I have overweight friends trying to slim down and I wouldn't want them being unrealistic about the pace at which they can do it. And this is the full extent of Salazar's supposed acceptance of Kara's size at the time.
At the very end of the exchange with the nutritionist he even adds, "she was [ ] the week before at Nike so she's plateaued a little." Why would a coach who was okay with her weight say such a thing? Hell, in his own bullet point in his "open letter" he states that "I fully supported Karas efforts and did not want her to lose weight more quickly (emphasis mine)"
The idea that Kara's weight was unquestionably a dead issue for Salazar at the time resides only in the heads of people who cannot or refuse to read Salazar's own words.
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0248/8471/files/Exhibit_19.pdfKaras Nose wrote:
3) She was misleading about Galen's Brussells AR.
Misleading in what way? Did she lie and say he only ran 24 laps? Speculating that it was unlikely that an athlete who'd been feeling shitty could rebound fast enough to run as well as Rupp did in Belgium is not lying. At worst, it's being wrong.
Karas Nose wrote:
4) She was misleading about the circumstances for her NOP departure
In what way?
You should know by now how this works. When you make a factual claim that is in dispute, you make at least a token effort to support it with evidence.
So, you yourself are a liar, or ignorant in the extreme, or both.
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http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6591809&page=12#ixzz3eVs511dGcorrect wrote:
Oh come on! I'm not a PR person - you just like to accuse people who don't agree with you of being PR people.
I don't think that you're a PR person. I think that very few of the people saying the kinds of things you did are, and that's not what I meant by "you guys." But many of "you" do sound eerily alike.
correct wrote:
Right now, I don't think they are coming off in the best light, particularly Kara Goucher.
I genuinely wonder why people think this. Is it because she's withholding details, even though it's clear why this is in her pest interest? Is it because people think that Salazar's letter made her look dishonest? Is it because she hasn't said anything about "real" PEDs yet? This may be a dumb question since historically people haven't needed any reason to start bashing away at her, Fleshman and countless other elites.
correct wrote:
The testosterone gel has been explained, as has the asthma.
Your use of the passive voice here suggests that you may not be entirely convinced of Salazar's honesty and motives. I prefer that people say, "Alberto has explained the testosterone gel and the asthma," so I can start arguing with them.
correct wrote:
There is simply no evidence and corroborating statements that I can see that justifies the amount of exposure this is getting.
It's not getting any meaningful exposure in the United States outside the running community. I think that a group of combative housewives with dwarfism gets far too much exposure every time that show "Little Women" comes on. None of us can control what the media deems newsworthy.
correct wrote:
No one has ever actually seen any instances of direct doping either.
Has any of them said that they haven't? People are fixated on the idea that anyone speaking against Salazar would have come out with everything he or she knows from the very start, an idea that for any number of obvious reasons is untenable.
correct wrote:
I still have an interest in distance running, though I no longer run much (is this allowed??).
If it wasn't, 90 percent of us would be banned!
correct wrote:
I have also worked in environments where people work themselves up because of personal vendettas/bad blood, and before you know it a witch hunt ensues. I can see this happening here I'm afraid.
I await more evidence, and am happy to be proven wrong IF actual evidence comes to light. But you should allow people to have divergent opinions from yours, and not be accused of being PR people.
I think we at Letsrun need a formal term for invoking the term "witch hunt" along the lines of "Godwin's law."
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http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6591809&page=10#ixzz3eVsOnFkLDoes this make sense? I did a super stack thread from page 11,12 1nd 14.