Kara Goucher blames Alberto for 18th place

Andrewww wrote:

I am so sick of Goucher - it seems like she is looking for attention since her running career is on the downhill - guess i've never been a huge fan of her but this interview really annoyed me - I don't like how she keeps making things seem worse and worse but wont bring proof -- people have been threatened? like that's kinda something you don't just throw out there and then won't say who...

http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/252246-USATF-Outdoor-Championships-2015/video/773997-Kara-Goucher-responds-to-Albertos-statement#.VZBDpvlVhBc

You're a spectator. You have no idea how the system works. You have a one-sided story and I would encourage you to just wait.

There is an extreme level of fear when it comes to dealing with some of the people on the "Alberto side." Why would Kara throw those people out there? They're trying to gain the courage to come out with information and you bashing people makes it no easier.

Again, you lack any level of basic understanding when it comes to this whole situation. You're a spectator.

Yea I guess that makes sense - I am still not a huge fan of how all of this comes out like how each side says the other is lying and then only Alberto brought out evidence so far with a lot of allegations coming from Goucher...

Agree with "you have no idea". She was very appropriate in what she did/did not say in that interview. Do not underestimate the power of Nike and the $$$ that company pumps into track and field.

I think she means that her husband, Adam, has resorted to threatening Alberto and thus she is not liking the effect this is having on him.. he is resorting to threatening.

She seemed very sincere. Often you have to look at the motivation behind actions.

Kara would have much to lose to speaking the truth. She would have no gain from making up this story.

Conundrum wrote:

She seemed very sincere. Often you have to look at the motivation behind actions.

Kara would have much to lose to speaking the truth. She would have no gain from making up this story.

Yea, she is putting a lot on the line with the things that she is saying in these interviews. A lot. The confidence and poise that she talks with after relieving herself of this burden tells me enough.

If she is making them up, she could be hurting herself even more, and I'm sure she realizes that.

Conundrum wrote:

She seemed very sincere. Often you have to look at the motivation behind actions.

Kara would have much to lose to speaking the truth. She would have no gain from making up this story.

Well said.

The Goucher and Magness PR drones are out in full force today

She does seem sincere.

However, I'd like to hear her address her own record under the Oregon Project. She was with NOP for 7 years, during which time she improved tremendously. All of her PRs and significant accomplishments came while she was being coached by Salazar... Is she saying that she did all of that clean, despite being the top female star of a supposedly dirty program? (And, we are supposed to believe Salazar is dirty because he offered her Cytomel once?) Also, according to Salazar's response, she was the one who introduced Dr. Brown to the project.

more questions... wrote:

She does seem sincere.

However, I'd like to hear her address her own record under the Oregon Project. She was with NOP for 7 years, during which time she improved tremendously. All of her PRs and significant accomplishments came while she was being coached by Salazar... Is she saying that she did all of that clean, despite being the top female star of a supposedly dirty program? (And, we are supposed to believe Salazar is dirty because he offered her Cytomel once?) Also, according to Salazar's response, she was the one who introduced Dr. Brown to the project.

When did she claim the program is dirty? There is evidence Alberto and Galen is dirty. Kara specifically said in her interview that she doesn't want to speak on other athletes in the program. She even said she has no idea what they must be going through.

So please, do yourself a favor and check your facts before you attempt to lower everyone else's IQ to the level you're at.

I'm concerned about how smart the Gouchers are. If they had ammunition they would of used it by now…they have nothing. Now it's becoming a personal attack against Alberto's character…which doesn't mean anything but gossip. It's just going to make them look even dumber airing their dirty laundry all over the media. I'm starting to wonder if Adam is behind all this having some personal agenda against Alberto. Perhaps jealousy against Kara and Alberto's relationship???

Because this thread was started by the Nike, Alberto, NOP pr drones.

more questions... wrote:

However, I'd like to hear her address her own record under the Oregon Project. She was with NOP for 7 years, during which time she improved tremendously. All of her PRs and significant accomplishments came while she was being coached by Salazar... Is she saying that she did all of that clean, despite being the top female star of a supposedly dirty program? (And, we are supposed to believe Salazar is dirty because he offered her Cytomel once?) Also, according to Salazar's response, she was the one who introduced Dr. Brown to the project.

Exactly. She owes her running success to Salazar. This success led in part to her name recognition and the millions she has made in running.

Her biggest claim against Salazar is that he offered her a prescription drug similar to something she was already prescribed.

OP, I am sorry if that is your takeaway from all of that. She said she's spoken to USADA. She's following procedure.

She said, "Think long and hard [before you join NOP], because you're going to be labeled something for the rest of your life." Sounds like she is casting doubt on the whole program. I did notice how she said she wouldn't comment on any athlete, including Galen... but she already questioned the legality of his AR on a televised documentary

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the new evidence that she's going to bring forward in the next few weeks. I think an in-depth look into NOP--the whole program and all of its athletes (past and present)--is a good thing.

haha wrote:

The Goucher and Magness PR drones are out in full force today

Too bad Salazar ran out of money to keep paying the Frued PR drones to put up a false front. It is up to the few diehard NOP fanboys --those who are okay with doping-- to continue with the defense of old man Salazar.

Kara always has an excuse for her bad performances. It's always someone else's fault. Lame Kara!

Wow, that sucks, and she's being coached by her husband.

I Am Sorry That wrote:

OP, I am sorry if that is your takeaway from all of that. She said she's spoken to USADA. She's following procedure.

From what they've said, it's clear Magness & Goucher talked to USADA several years ago. If they had given the USADA enough to charge Rupp or Salazar with doping, it would have already happened.

If you go to the USADA web site, you can see how often athletes are tested.(If you are lucky -- the athlete history page often does not work, for whatever reason.) For the last several years, Rupp has been the most tested track athlete. He is also one of the most tested of all athletes. Two years ago, only Floyd Mayweather was tested more times than Rupp.

From this, I think two things are clear: 1) the USADA is suspicious of Rupp; but, 2) lacks the evidence to charge him. So for now, all they can do is keep a close eye on him. And from the record, they are doing that with a vengeance. So far, the testing does not seem to have turned up anything.

Unless we get some more compelling evidence from either side, I think the pr war is going to end up where it is now -- a stalemate, with lots of justified suspicions and bad feelings on both sides, but nothing like definitive proof.

In other words, the sniping will continue, but there won't be any real casualties on either side, except the truth.

Oh, yeah, one more thing. With all of this attention on NOP, other runners who are doing will face much less scrutiny. (Just looking at the test numbers over the last few years confirms this. Runners who live in Portland, like Flanagan, get tested more than even known dopers, such as Gatlin. And Jenny Simpson basically gets a free pass, with only four or so tests each year.