Deano, how does Centro's last 600 here compare to Coe's last 600 in Moscow?
(I'm too lazy to look it up.)
Deano, how does Centro's last 600 here compare to Coe's last 600 in Moscow?
(I'm too lazy to look it up.)
Who the F cares? He's the biggest d bag in running and the biggest doper. Like all his pro and college results this one doesn't count
That's obviously a less accurate measure, because we cannot see exactly where they are crossing the line, so you are comparing a precise measure--the split given onscreen, which is in the hundredths and I would assume from the official electronic clock since it is not the same time as the on-field clock as we see it--with the imprecise measure of the onfield/onscreen clock. The latter are imprecise in so far as we do not know when the runner is crossing the line, just exactly what those two clocks say when we freeze the screen. Hence, to get an apples to apples comparison, we should get the difference there, which is always .2s at the 200m mark, and we compare while giving our arbitrary, not quite accurate measure of when they are crossing the line. We don't get official splits at the 200m mark, remember. So, we take our guess not by estimate of the official splits that aren't there but on the screens we do see.
He might of had another second in him if he was pushed.
Brev wrote:
Even in the great Athens 1500, El G closed the 600 almost a full second slower in 1:18.8. Has anyone ever closed the last 600 of a 1500 faster than Centro?
I get 1:17.46 for Asbel Kiprop in the Continental Cup last year
he didn't win though as he had to make a huge surge from sitting at the very back with 500 to go. Souleiman won the actual race and I also get him a fraction faster than Centrowitz but still not as fast as Kiprop.
Souleiman is a great tactician though, he knows you can't be effing about at the back even if the pace is slow, that leaves you with so much work to do and so many men to go past and meters to cover when the front men inevitably do increase the pace.
I actually thought Kiprop looked stronger on the day but Souleiman was able to force Kiprop to run on his outside on the last two turns and that was what decided it.
Well Rui Silva in Athens certainly came very close that's for sure.
However had i watched centrowitz race without a clock, it seemed as if he was going like 1:30 That's just how relaxed he looked like running the last lap and a half, very impressive win indeed.
Being also a very good tactician, i can see him giving trouble to the likes of kiplagat and souleiman at worlds.
Andrews was far faster over the last 200 - and that's with running 7 - 10 meters farther being on the outside all the way over the last lap or so. Centro was very impressive indeed though. Class of the field by a large margin.FightFor15 wrote:
Tribe wrote:I bet Robby Andrews was a full second faster. Of course he didn't win so Centro's close is much more impressive.
Last lap Centro 52.03, Andrews 52.13.
Kiprop went through 900m in 2:31.3 and finished in 3:49.1, so I make it c. 1:17.8. Certainly faster than Centro, but in a race more than 10 secs slower overall. Centro's is a better last 600m.
Deanouk wrote:
Kiprop went through 900m in 2:31.3 and finished in 3:49.1, so I make it c. 1:17.8. Certainly faster than Centro, but in a race more than 10 secs slower overall. Centro's is a better last 600m.
you sure you're looking at the right line for Kiprop? (I wasn't 100pc sure of where to start the clock but thought I had nailed it after rewatching it a few times.
And anyway, the question was "which is the fastest last 600 in a 1500 ever?"
Not "what is the best last 600 of a 1500?" If that was the case I will make a case for El G in Athens 04. ;)
illegitimate wrote:
Put Centro down as the favorite for Worlds, and maybe Rio...
Lol.
Deanouk wrote:
These are the splits I get for Centro (by adding on 0.4 each time): -
61.1, 2:04.4, 2:58.3 = 61.1, 63.3, 53.9!!, 38.9 (52.0 last 400m)
or 45.2, 1:48.5, 2:45.2 = 45.2, 63.3, 56.7, 52.0.
last 800m - 1:48.7
last 700m - 1:32.8
last 600m - 1:18.1
last 500m - 1:05.6
" 400m - 52.0
" 300m - 38.9
" 200m - 25.7
" 100m - 12.7
last lap - 13.1, 13.2, 13.0, 12.7
Very, very impressive.
It takes a lot to impress Deano ;)
Particularly impressive is that he ran responsibly and knew how much he had left; each of his last three 100s was faster than the last and his last 100 of 12.7--which did not appear to be flat-out--is pretty sprightly in a 3:37 regardless of circumstances...
hereforalaugh wrote:
Deanouk wrote:Kiprop went through 900m in 2:31.3 and finished in 3:49.1, so I make it c. 1:17.8. Certainly faster than Centro, but in a race more than 10 secs slower overall. Centro's is a better last 600m.
you sure you're looking at the right line for Kiprop? (I wasn't 100pc sure of where to start the clock but thought I had nailed it after rewatching it a few times.
And anyway, the question was "which is the fastest last 600 in a 1500 ever?"
Not "what is the best last 600 of a 1500?" If that was the case I will make a case for El G in Athens 04. ;)
You're right. Kiprop's last 600m is faster than Centro's and wins regarding the thread title.
Just looked at the Continental Cup race again, and I am looking at the right line: - 2min 15 into the video -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA5WWWLOMNEIt's hard to get a precise split for Kiprop, as in most races at this point, as the camera is not a side on shot. Looking at it again, I get 2:31.4 at 900m for Kiprop, giving him a last 600m of 1:17.7 (give or take 0.1)
I make Silva's last 600m in Athens 2004 as 1:18.2 (went through 900m in 2:16.4, finished in 3:34.68)
I've looked at Centro's run again, and it is very difficult to be precise due to the 3 timing systems being all slightly different.
The stadium clock is, on average, 0.2 ahead of the on screen clock, which is definitely slow, as Centro crosses the line with the screen clock showing 3:36.8, yet his finish time is then adjusted by 0.4 to 3:37.25.
So, it really depends whether you want to go by the stadium clock (+ 0.2 to screen time) or use the official splits when given (which seems to be +0.4) and adjust at other markers. Even trying to explain the difficulties is difficult! lol. Not sure I'm making myself clear.
Anyway, to answer your question, Coe's last 600m in Moscow was 2:19.1.
Back to Centro's run. On second viewing I think Centro's 200m stretch from 900m to 1000m was more like 12.6 than 12.5. But this certainly did the damage to those who tried to follow such an injection of pace.
I've revised Centro's closing splits, and while this is not definitive, I think the truth lies somewhere between this and my earlier splits given. The main 400/300 splits haven't changed. I'll put Coe's corresponding splits in Moscow beside in parenthesis, for comparison:
last 1000m: Centro - 2:20.2 (2:20.3)
" 800m: Centro - 1:48.7 (1:48.6)
" 700m: Centro - 1:33.0 (1:33.2)
" 600m: Centro - 1:18.2 (1:19.1)
" 500m: Centro - 1:05.6 (1:05.8)
" 400m: Centro - 52.0 (52.2)
" 300m: Centro - 38.9 (38.6)
" 200m: Centro - 25.8 (25.0)
" 100m: Centro - 12.8 (12.2)
Centro's 100m splits from 600m out c. 12.6, 13.6, 13.1, 13.1, 13.0, 12.8
Coe's 100m splits in Moscow c. 13.3, 13.6, 13.6, 13.6, 12.8, 12.2
I got Andrew's closing splits as 52.1 last 400m, 25.8/25.9 last 200m and 12.5/12.6 last 100m.
N.B - The camera does not show Andrews level with the 100m from home mark, but it does show him at 110m mark at 3:24.7 and the 90m mark at 3:27.1. I then added 0.3 to each time as adjustment for the onscreen clock, and got 3:25.0 and 3:27.4. As his finish time is 3:38.75, then his last 110m was 13.7 and last 90m in 11.3. Giving his last 100m as 12.5.
Edit.
Coe's last 600m in Moscow should have been 1:19.1 not 2:19.1!!
Asbel Kiprop wrote:
illegitimate wrote:Put Centro down as the favorite for Worlds, and maybe Rio...
Lol.
Centro wasn't maxed out today - close, but there was nobody pushing him for much of the last lap. I think he could do this 1:18 in a 3:34-5 race... no way Kiprop - with his usually imperfect tactics - could take him down in that scenario
illegitimate wrote:
Asbel Kiprop wrote:Lol.
Centro wasn't maxed out today - close, but there was nobody pushing him for much of the last lap. I think he could do this 1:18 in a 3:34-5 race... no way Kiprop - with his usually imperfect tactics - could take him down in that scenario
Souleiman will take him down and play with him like a cat with an injured mouse.
The guy's different class.
(as is Kiprop but as you state he does go to sleep now and then)
And even if Souleiman and Kiprop were both out injured Centrowitz would still have to beat Kiplagat who was the Diamond League winner last year.
So to have the NOP muppet as a favourite to win it ... laughable.
Deanouk wrote:
that's good wrote:but I think Bile closed over 2 sec faster for the last 800 (1:46.0?)
Bile's last 800 was 1:46.9. Same as EL G in Athens.
is there any proof of this other than video analysis?
My money would be on Bile being faster
Don't forget Kiplagat barely beat out Blankenship in Shanghai, and Centro buried Blankenship here
hereforalaugh wrote:
illegitimate wrote:Centro wasn't maxed out today - close, but there was nobody pushing him for much of the last lap. I think he could do this 1:18 in a 3:34-5 race... no way Kiprop - with his usually imperfect tactics - could take him down in that scenario
Souleiman will take him down and play with him like a cat with an injured mouse.
The guy's different class.
(as is Kiprop but as you state he does go to sleep now and then)
And even if Souleiman and Kiprop were both out injured Centrowitz would still have to beat Kiplagat who was the Diamond League winner last year.
So to have the NOP muppet as a favourite to win it ... laughable.
Although I agree that Souleiman looks like the favorite, there is nothing laughable about someone calling the reigning silver medalist, who has clearly improved, the favorite. And it would be no shock to see Centro wearing gold. He flat out never makes a mistake and will be in the hunt.
There is no such thing as a reigning silver medalist.
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