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Let me explain somethint at 2:49 am before I go to bed. It seems so obvious now but when I think back 3-4 years ago to 2012 when I first heard about all of this stuff, it was a little hard for me to understand.
Yes you are right. Magness and no one in the world (at least who has spoken to the media) has proof that Salazar crossed that line in terms of a blatant doping violation (like EPO).'
Magness, Goucher, USADA, Epstein, etc don't have proof that Salazar doped Rupp like that. If anyone had proof to that degree, we'd already have a conviction.
They never said they did have proof.
They have strong suspicions based on his other behavior. Or they think all of his gray line stuff added together is a violation or at a mininum not what sports should be.
It's really very simple.
Salazar is clearly someone looking for a non training edge in running - whether that's drugs (definitely legal, perhaps illegal), treadmills, altitude tents, at all times. We know he'll use any legal means to win (masks, changing the location of races at the last minute, getting people DQd for non-infractions, etc).
He's got unlimited resources. He always has androgel with him. He tested drugs on his own son and knows androgel will never result in a positive test. He was buddy buddy with Lance when it was long obvious to anyone with a brain Lance had to be dirty.
Does he cross that line at night when no one is htere?
That's why there is an endless debate on here. Many people think yes (and went to WADA) but some say no.
It upset me 3 years ago when people didn't have proof. I remember talking to Steve in 2012. I said, "How do you not know? But Rupp is walled off. This isn't US Postal.
Magness doesn't have proof it occurred. He never said he had proof. But he's got a lot of other things that make him think, "LEt's use common sense here."
He has the nike lab report. He was getting pills in hollowed out books. He has doping of his own son. That's not normal activity for a 25 year old to find at the work place.
The fact that he and 15 others have added it up all together and gone USADA makes this a real story. Do you really think all of them are just making shit up for kicks and giggles? As the 2nd poster said in this thread, what do they gain by making theses allegations. Their life becomes a living hell as people like you rip them to shreds.
Maybe I'm not making sense as somehow it's taken me 25 minutes to type this post.
Here's an edited version of what some other dude said in another thread. I liked his logic but his crap was over the top so I'm editing some stuff out.