ProPublica Responds to Alberto Salazar's Response - "Alberto Salazar Disputes Allegations—Some of Which Were Never Made"

Thank you. People keep bringing up albuterol, as if it is a difficult thing to do --to get an inhaler. It isn't a banned substance, how many times has this been said? Any argument about albuterol inhalers is a complete waste of time. I don't know why you guys keep bringing it up when trying to make a case against Rupp/Salazar.

PODe wrote:

Thank you. People keep bringing up albuterol, as if it is a difficult thing to do --to get an inhaler. It isn't a banned substance, how many times has this been said? Any argument about albuterol inhalers is a complete waste of time. I don't know why you guys keep bringing it up when trying to make a case against Rupp/Salazar.

apparently albuterol is a PED if taken orally or injected

but no proof of PEDness has been found via an inhaler

which is weird to me as a layman - why would it be a PED in one administrative method and not another?

I feel like a lot of this contradiction should be easy to clear up. The whole IV thing... Shouldn't someone have record of whether or not Rupp was administered an IV? If someone came forward with documentation showing that Rupp did or did not have an IV in Beijing, or in Daegu, or anywhere else, that would clear up a lot of these claims. If he hasn't had them, Alberto looks good and it shows Goucher's to be liars. But if he has, then Alberto's the liar and the problems continue. That piece of evidence could be huge, and right now Salazar is the only one who has provided evidence that Rupp hasn't had IVs. Even if they applied for them and didn't get them, then Rupp didn't use them, no rules broken.

But we are talking about inhalers.

I don't understand how you can say AlSal is vindicated on the Cytomel thing. SHE DID say originally when it occured:5 months post-birth. She gave birth in Sep. Five months later is right before Boston. AlSal brings up emails 11 months post-birth at worlds, and shows a doc told him to give her that med on that occassion because she'd had cortisone shots. AlSal hasn't addressed the event she was talking about. So: do you think Kara fabricated the pill bottle with his writing and the pharmacy name? That's a theory I can accept as a possibility, but the issue that she didn't specify when it happened originally isn't correct, and it's probably exactly waht the response tried to do, get people to mix up those events

Also find the title of the article to be interesting. Are they actually made at Salazar for giving a comprehensive response? "..Some of which were never made," and Epstein goes on to say that Salazar was never accused of not having his own prescription for androgel? Salazar was clearly using his prescription as evidence that it was for him, to dispel allegations that he was using it illegally on Rupp. Pointing that out as a "flaw" in Salazar's response makes it seems like Epstein is grasping at straws, at least in some of the instances.

I agree with that mostly. Although it sounded like and also the bbc guy said they knew AlSal had a scrip for T,it's a question of how it's used,and they asked him before why he had it and got no response.I was hopig brown would answer that question about if alberto's prescription was used for their research, but guess it's a privacy violation

Couldn't they subpoena Salazar's medical or pharmacy records to get to the bottom of the AndroGel issue? If he was supplying several athletes with his AndroGel, I imagine they would be going through the stuff pretty quick.

When are people going to bring up the undetectable new designer drug that Mo and Galen were apparently on in London? Do people really think 20 athletes and former employees are outraged over some inhalers?

Who would subpoena that? USADA only got that stuff w/Lance cuz the feds were involved first. And why would his medical records show who else might illegaly be using his scrip? what record would record if he rubbed his own stuff on someone?

not convinced about new designer drugs.maybe it's easy to make those,but post-balco haven't heard much about it.hard to see AlSal getting involved in something like that,just my opinion

didn't think the pieces or responses really made overly big deal of albuterol inhaler in terms of being illegal or PED, just linked some study, some hype on the corticosteroids though

OregonInject wrote:

Couldn't they subpoena Salazar's medical or pharmacy records to get to the bottom of the AndroGel issue? If he was supplying several athletes with his AndroGel, I imagine they would be going through the stuff pretty quick.

When are people going to bring up the undetectable new designer drug that Mo and Galen were apparently on in London? Do people really think 20 athletes and former employees are outraged over some inhalers?

In Salazar's response, he either says directly or insinuates that he does have such proof of androgel use / consumption commensurate with his medical needs.

It is human and business nature to continue the fight even when it no longer makes sense. What's Epstein and ProPublica to do now? Say "whoops, maybe we got too carried away here?"

People usually have herd mentality. Sheeple, if you will. No doubt that several individuals saw things "they thought were suspicious." Just like people that see UFOs or ghosts. They then talk to other like minded people and all of a sudden they have "real proof of wrongdoing."

Also, question: was there ever a definitive answer on the Gatlin/massage therapist thing?

ricotta wrote:

PODe wrote:

Thank you. People keep bringing up albuterol, as if it is a difficult thing to do --to get an inhaler. It isn't a banned substance, how many times has this been said? Any argument about albuterol inhalers is a complete waste of time. I don't know why you guys keep bringing it up when trying to make a case against Rupp/Salazar.

apparently albuterol is a PED if taken orally or injected

but no proof of PEDness has been found via an inhaler

http://science.howstuffworks.com/10-performance-enhancing-drugs6.htm

which is weird to me as a layman - why would it be a PED in one administrative method and not another?

Albuterol is legal as long as you stay below a certain limit. Just ask Alessandro Petacchi about that! You have to stay below 1000 ng/Ml.

It can act as both a stimulant and help with muscle sparing in higher doses. You think maybe, just MAYBE, an endurance athlete could benefit from something like that? Hmmmm...

The article that Rojo linked to below is still blatantly wrong, claiming that Alberto rubbed Androgel into Rupp's shoulders after a race just to test out whether or not he'd go positive. How stupid is this writer?

Mrr82 wrote:

Idiot of the week?

Does this mean you're officially declaring your candidacy? can I be your campaign manager? I see no plausible scenario in which you can lose as long as ryan foreman doesn't run.

Fabricated?? wrote:

I don't understand how you can say AlSal is vindicated on the Cytomel thing. SHE DID say originally when it occured:5 months post-birth. She gave birth in Sep. Five months later is right before Boston. AlSal brings up emails 11 months post-birth at worlds, and shows a doc told him to give her that med on that occassion because she'd had cortisone shots. AlSal hasn't addressed the event she was talking about. So: do you think Kara fabricated the pill bottle with his writing and the pharmacy name? That's a theory I can accept as a possibility, but the issue that she didn't specify when it happened originally isn't correct, and it's probably exactly waht the response tried to do, get people to mix up those events

I'm not saying that Salazar is vindicated on the Cytomel issue. My point is that we still really don't know when Kara got the Cytomel. You're right that she did say the issue of Cytomel came up in March or April, but she didn't say that she actually was given any Cytomel at that time. From her narrative it's clear that she did get some actual pills at some point in time, but she doesn't say when. That shaky foundation is still the main support for a major piece of the anti-Salazar edifice.

I don't believe the bottle is fabricated at all. Right now I have every reason to believe she got the pills in August from Salazar at the direction of her own endocrimologist (who was her doctor long before she ever worked with Alberto by the way). Just like AlSal says...and has the documents to back him up.

Get rid of the weasel words and we're left with "I can't deny the truth of anything Epstein wrote." Yes. And he wrote many things exposing Salazar as a crooked PoS.

It became obvious a long time ago that your attempts to indict the work of Dave Epstein are an ugly, blistering mess. It's clear why he limited his comments about Areson to what he did on a story published within twelve hours of the release of Salazar's letter.

You're basically crying because Epstein didn't write a whole separate story about Areson's claims. Are you enough of an idiot to think that he won't?

This is just crap. Expecting Epstein, who doesn't need any "excuses" except in your porous mind, to delay his entire immediate response so that he could expand the part about Areson, or expecting him to leave Areson's words out of an immediate-response piece altogether, is beyond unreasonable. But then again so are you, although it's interesting to watch you become increasingly more emotional over the whole thing, all the while pretending that you're impartial.

I can see where this is going. Epstein will write a lengthy piece including tons of quotes from Areson, and you will once again complain about whatever you think she HASN'T said. If she offers photographic evidence that he's murdered 11 puppies while a 12th can't be accounted for but is presumed dead, you'll snap, "Well, I want to hear more about this missing dog! We knew the rest of that shit already!"

But, you'll be forced to catch up soon enough. Werd.

Understood, thanks for explaining. I guess my thinking is that if the bottle was for August, for some reason it came in a bottle with the label ripped off and handwriting on it. That doesn't seem like it would be the normal way to have pills from a doctor. And still werid that she did specify timing initially, and he picked a different time to respond about. jury out for me on this one, but I'd be interested to see him just a give a denial that he ever gave her pills on his own from another scrip. i'd be a little more convinced

xenonscreams wrote:

Epstein had a great opportunity here to legitimately write a rebuttal to Alberto's letter

Which he did. The headline of his story says it all and the content delivers. At this point only weak-minded fools under Alberto's spell, including, obviously, a number of people he could care less about and doesn't know such as yerself, can deny this.

xenonscreams wrote:

but instead chose to completely blow it by taking Alberto's statements completely out of context and omitting all of the redeeming qualities in his letter.

I wonder if you know just how stupid it makes people look to say "that statement was taken out of context" without explaining why they think this true.

It was almost impossible to not address Salazar's statements fully IN context. Salazar said things that missed the mark. Epstein described why.

But go ahead and redeem yourself and just give one example of the apparently many ways Epstein was unfair. Just ONE.

...and don't forget that in August Kara and Alberto were halfway around the world in South Korea travelling with a teammate who had the same prescription. It makes sense (at least to me) that her endocrinologist would just have her get a few extra Cytomel pills from Rupp instead of trying to arrange for her to pick up pills through some South Korean pharmacy.

Man Overboard wrote:

...and don't forget that in August Kara and Alberto were halfway around the world in South Korea travelling with a teammate who had the same prescription. It makes sense (at least to me) that her endocrinologist would just have her get a few extra Cytomel pills from Rupp instead of trying to arrange for her to pick up pills through some South Korean pharmacy.

Whether or not it makes sense, it's illegal.