ProPublica Responds to Alberto Salazar's Response - "Alberto Salazar Disputes Allegations—Some of Which Were Never Made"

bkrunner wrote:

learned a lot from lance wrote:

Epstein lands a huge blow in round 1. Salazar battles back a little in round two but Epstein gets the TKO in round 3!!

Great stuff.

A former Nike employee has come foward today and said Salazar's response was full of it:

"A former Nike employee," eh? I'm really sick and tired of all this anonymous BS. If you can't put your name next to it, keep it to yourself.

wow, where did you go to school? Kansas? Rule 1 of journalistic integrity is to protect your sources.

Slivery Slope wrote:

I agree that Epstein's latest is quite weak, almost a knee-jerk response, again without documentation, just more "he said, she said". What I gather from this is that they are trying to take cover for the certain libel lawsuits that will be in the works in coming months. After the "investigation" by the US agency is complete, and their report is published, you will see Salazar and Nike go for the jugular. We are in round three of a five round TKO fight.

LOL ... another Freud worker drone posts! It is U.S. not US. "The jugular" is soooo British. Your punctuation is British. Libel laws in the U.S are not the same as in the U.K.

Man the British press is brutal. The Independent was far from impressed as well. Here is another article that came out before Epstein's response that just ripped Alberto's response.

It's quite possible to get fired and still get a nice letter that says you both "agreed to mutually part ways"... It happened to me. Plus magness used his time at Nike to gain an undeserved job at a D1 school.

Magness is a turd. He thinks he is the smartest guy in the room and clearly, given his record, he is not. Methinks he is still smarting from never going sub-4 and peaking in high school

I mean look at what he wrote in an article about Lance Armstrong..

Author’s note: This piece is about Lance Armstrong, who has confessed to doping, and is in no way meant to implicate any other athletes. There are a number of exceptional performances made by clean athletes around the world, including many Nike athletes I have been fortunate to work with in the past. I’ve been fortunate to be involved with many world class athletes throughout my career, and am proud to have athletes make it to the top level by doing things the right way.

Read more at

http://running.competitor.com/2013/01/news/magness-my-interactions-with-lance-armstrong_64596#2mWZHQCuG8DXocIC.99

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Really, Rojo? Where is the unbiased reporting? And why would Salazar need to roll out an "army of witnesses" to defend himself? He used what he had, documents and alleged facts. I'm skeptical. Some of what he asserted as doing sounded shady as all hell.

But c'mon, Rojo. You sound like a giggly half-autistic schoolboy. You spelled vicious wrong and then said imagine if I wrote something like that. If you wrote something with such vitriol, then you wouldn't be the shoddy journalist you are. You'd just be an editorialist. Have some more dignity.

Or start a site called letswitchhunt.com - "where your possible guilt is your reality"

desperate... now they are engaging in sophistry to rebut. these guys should pack up and go home before they get sued

yeah and rule #2 is to fact check. ask Rolling Stone how using only rule #1 and ignoring rule #2 worked out for them

neutral observeratorialist wrote:

When journalists get stuff wrong it makes the whole piece look bad. The following never happened, no way no how!

"Salazar rubbed Androgel into Rupp's shoulders as a 'sabotage test'

Some of Salazar’s own justifications stretch credibility, not least the idea that Androgel, a testosterone-enhancing product, was rubbed into Rupp’s shoulders after a race in 2009 as a ‘sabotage test’. “We decided to conduct an experiment to determine if it was possible to rub something that would cause an athlete to test positive,” he says. “We wanted to make sure our post-race protocol was structured to eliminate this risk. I was a bit naive and let my paranoia get the better of me, but there was never any intent to do anything illegal.”

No way did Salazar rub Androgel onto Rupp's shoulders after a race!

How did this get past their editors? Nobody every claimed Salazar rubbed Androgel into Rupp's shoulders. That'd be a doping infraction right there.

Why would he need witnesses? To make it their word versus the propublica witnesses word in the court of public opinion? the allegations are innuendo at best, which he defends with logic and document evidence which speaks for itself. this is what's called a 'witch hunt'. If you want it, bring it. Otherwise look out because Alberto is setting up a defamation action.

Rojo, I'll ask you straight up:

Would Salazar having 17 people say "Alberto and Galen are clean" be better than what he actually provided?

You guys put up a clock when he wasn't providing anything and now you're going after him about giving too much?? You, sir, are a joke of a "reporter."

I posted this in the messageboard before the rebuttal came out. Epstein addressed it in the article. It's very clear.

Kara says that Alberto told her to take Cytomel without a prescription - and gave her the handwritten pill bottle- which Dr. Brown says he'd never hand out - in March/April of 2011.

Here is what Epstein wrote in the initial BBC report.

Colt Goucher - according to Alberto's document - was born on September 25, 2010.

So five + months from then would be February/March. So it was in the leadup to her pretty amazing 2:24 run in Boston just months after becoming a mom.

Epstein confirms this in his most recent piece:

Salazar produced a note from Dr. Brown for August which had absolutely nothing to do with the allegations. It was a very clever rebuttal by him. Discredit Kara with facts that aren't relevant at all.

Also note, Brown vehemntly denies he'd ever give Kara a handwritten prescription. Someone committed a prescription drug violation and Brown says it wasn't him.

It's very interesting also that Salazar says Brown set up the experiment to dope Alex Salazar, "The Gatlin case involved testosterone so we decided to see if rubbing Androgel on an athlete after a race could cause a positive test. Dr. Jeffery Brown set up the experiment," but Brown flat denies that.

Dr. Brown denied that. Doping a guy with testosterone who doesn't need it would be a big potential no-no for an MD.

In the end, people protect their own asses. By doping Alex Salazar, either Brown or Alberto likely committed a crime. Netiher wants to be cop responsibilty for that one.

Dude calm down.

Epstein responded to 12,000 words in the span of 12 hours.

I imagine he didn't go into more detail on Areson and I imagine she wasn't quoted in the initial story because she likely didn't want her name used. So she probably spoke to him back then on background or only if she stayed anonymous. She sees Salazar attack Magness and decides, "Ok, the gloves are off. I'll let my name be used."

The main facts are pretty clear. Tons of former NOP people were uncomfortable as to how Salazar was always looking for a chemical edge. None seem to have a smoking gun along the lines of some illegal drug like THG, EPO, etc.

However, given his desire for a chemical edge and given he knows androgel couldn't be detected did he give that to Rupp - the golden boy who was walled off from the rest of the group as everyone describes?

Or did he cross the gray line with all of the other meds?

Absolute f$cking joke..Rojo you are officially an idiot.

ehhhhhhhh wrote:

The article seemed terribly biased, which isn't surprising since they are trying to hold credibility to their initial report. Honestly the more I keep reading, the more I truly believe that Salazar is innocent..he addressed each and every point brought up in the BBC article and other points of controversy (abuse of TUE's) and had a somewhat reasonable explanation for every single point. I'm not a NOP fanboy by any means, but I feel entirely comfortable in saying that I'm on Salazar's side during this debacle.

I don't know if you realize this but most of the news that appears on this site is from other sources. Considering how rarely any major papers cover this sport why wouldn't you want to see what they have to say? As for Rojo's pov, who cares? I think when you run a website you're entitled to have your own opinion some of the time. And this specific instance doesn't show any of his point of view. If anything he's calling Brown's viewpoint overly myopic and brutal.

Brojos, I love your website and I love you guys

DMVarea wrote:

Really, Rojo? Where is the unbiased reporting? And why would Salazar need to roll out an "army of witnesses" to defend himself? He used what he had, documents and alleged facts. I'm skeptical. Some of what he asserted as doing sounded shady as all hell.

But c'mon, Rojo. You sound like a giggly half-autistic schoolboy. You spelled vicious wrong and then said imagine if I wrote something like that. If you wrote something with such vitriol, then you wouldn't be the shoddy journalist you are. You'd just be an editorialist. Have some more dignity.

Or start a site called letswitchhunt.com - "where your possible guilt is your reality"

Hear, hear! rojo is way out of his depth. it's painful to watch. the total lack of critical thinking is frightening.

bkrunner wrote:

"A former Nike employee," eh? I'm really sick and tired of all this anonymous BS. If you can't put your name next to it, keep it to yourself.

So Sslazar got some Adrogel, tested the limits of its use being detected, would massage Galen himself, and was worried if Galen touched his bag with the gel inside of it he would test positive...

Hummmmmmmmm. Surely those tests he ran on his sons didn't suggest touching a bag with the gel inside it would result in a positive test...

bkrunner wrote:

"A former Nike employee," eh? I'm really sick and tired of all this anonymous BS. If you can't put your name next to it, keep it to yourself.

Man, I love irony. Nice one!