ALBERTO RELEASES STATEMENT

rojo wrote:

There is a lot of selective denials and some of the evidence is totally irrelevant.

Let's take the Cytomel for example.

Alberto provides a letter from Dr. Brown saying he told Kara Goucher to take Cytomel in August of 2011.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0248/8471/files/Exhibit_21.pdf?10179272499514451932

The problem for Alberto is that has nothing to do with the accusation made by the Gouchers in ProPublica was that Salazzar told her to get on Cytomel without a prescription early 2011 in March or April - before she ran 2:24 in the Boston marathon - just 5+ months after giving birth.

Epstein wrote:

Five months after she gave birth to Colt in 2010 (September 25), Salazar was unhappy about Goucher's weight, she says. Salazar had previously recommended that several female runners he deemed overweight take over-the-counter supplements marketed as fat-burners. But for Goucher, he had something different in mind. "You need to just take some Cytomel," she says he told her. Cytomel is the brand name for a form of synthetic thyroid hormone, prescribed when the thyroid is naturally underactive, which can lead to weight gain and fatigue. When Goucher asked how she would get it, she says Salazar told her, "Just ask Galen for some of his, he has a prescription for it.".

So the Goucher allegation hasn't been proven to be a lie as people are claiming. Salazar is providing a letter from Dr. Brown for a totally different time frame.

KMB wrote:

According to the Cleveland Clinic, the prevalence of true hypothyroidism (Alberto incorrectly uses the term "incidence" -- actually he writes this as "incident") in the general U.S. population is less than 1 in 300.

Going only by the results of blood testing in the absence of symptoms ("biochemical hypothyroidism"), this rises to about 1 in 22.

http://www.clevelandclinicmeded.com/medicalpubs/diseasemanagement/endocrinology/hypothyroidism-and-hyperthyroidism/

So when Alberto notes that "only" 5 out of 55 (or 1 in every 11) NOP athletes have been diagnosed with the condition since joining the program -- seeming to imply strongly that others brought a diagnosis into the game with them -- I'm not sure what the "only" is supposed to mean.

0.3% of the population is clinically hypothyroid.

4.6% of the population is hypothyroid by serum analysis.

At least 9.1% of NOP runners carry the diagnosis of hypothyroidism.

This should come as no surprise given how the NOP's own endocrinologist, the aforementioned Dr. Jeffrey Brown, deviates from his peers when it comes to establishing a diagnosis of hypthyroidism.

https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/is-thyroid-replacement-a-performance-enhancing-drug/

rojo wrote:

Cavman wrote:

I agree with the other criticisms of Rojo. Salazar's statement provides much more evidence and detail than the accusations, and to state that this doesn't change much is perplexing. He doesn't just state his side of the story in a he-said/he-said type of way without providing any evidence, but with the sabotage test, for example, he provides contemporaneous emails and details that do not appear to match up with a micro-doping effort.

Is there still room for him to by lying? Sure. But not much. To say the microdoping theory is still an open question, you have to come up with some plausible explanation for those emails from 2009, and you need some kind of explanation that the testing protocol used (and supported by evidence) is better explained by a micro-doping theory than a sabotage test.

Rojo, I know you aren't a lawyer, but contemporaneous documents like these provide much stronger evidence than what has been provided by the accusers so far.

Let me briefly explain why I said I need to re-read it and analyze it, but before I do let me state, I've been on the phone with sources all afternoon and haven't read most of this thread.

There is a lot of selective denials and some of the evidence is totally irrelevant.

Let's take the Cytomel for example.

Alberto provides a letter from Dr. Brown saying he told Kara Goucher to take Cytomel in August of 2011.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0248/8471/files/Exhibit_21.pdf?10179272499514451932

The problem for Alberto is that has nothing to do with the accusation made by the Gouchers in ProPublica was that Salazzar told her to get on Cytomel without a prescription early 2011 in March or April - before she ran 2:24 in the Boston marathon - just 5+ months after giving birth.

Epstein wrote:

Five months after she gave birth to Colt in 2010 (September 25), Salazar was unhappy about Goucher's weight, she says. Salazar had previously recommended that several female runners he deemed overweight take over-the-counter supplements marketed as fat-burners. But for Goucher, he had something different in mind. "You need to just take some Cytomel," she says he told her. Cytomel is the brand name for a form of synthetic thyroid hormone, prescribed when the thyroid is naturally underactive, which can lead to weight gain and fatigue. When Goucher asked how she would get it, she says Salazar told her, "Just ask Galen for some of his, he has a prescription for it.".

So the Goucher allegation hasn't been proven to be a lie as people are claiming. Salazar is providing a letter from Dr. Brown for a totally different time frame..

Very clever.

Kara Goucher never said she wasn't ever on Cytomel or a patient of Dr. Brown. She simply said that Alberto told her to take Cytomel early in 2011 when didn't have a prescription for it and that allegation stands.

As for the androgel, i'm not sure what has changed. The allegatiosn by ProPublica and the BBC were that a) Salazar had androgel in the camp b) he tested it on his son (and they even said Salazar said this was for sabotage reasons). Those allegations werent' refuted. They were simply confirmed by Salazar.

ProPublica wrote:

Magness then flew to Dusseldorf to meet Rupp prior to the race. Soon after he arrived, Rupp told him he wasn't feeling well. Magness called Salazar, who he says told him to expect a package. Two days later, a box arrived at his hotel room. Inside it he found a paperback thriller. Confused, he flipped it open. A section of the pages had been hollowed out to form a compartment into which two pills were taped. "At that point," Magness says, "my mind was like, this is stuff you see in movies, this is extremely strange." He handed the pills to Rupp, who he says promptly swallowed them and laughed off the clandestine packaging as typical Salazar antics. Magness, who had been on the job less than two months, says he never asked what the pills were. At the end of the week, Rupp placed fourth in the 5K in Germany. Neither Salazar nor Rupp responded to questions about the hollowed-out book containing pills.

Salazar wrote:I sent Galen his Nasonex prescription. I put it inside a paperback book.

Numeracy wrote:

For the ten millionth time wrote:

For the ten millionth time, thyroid medication does not require a TUE. It is not a banned substance.

Here, let me try:

Thyroid meds are not on the WADA list. They do not require a TUE.

Thyroid meds are not on the WADA list. They do not require a TUE.

Thyroid meds are not on the WADA list. They do not require a TUE.

Thyroid meds are not on the WADA list. They do not require a TUE.

Thyroid meds are not on the WADA list. They do not require a TUE.

Thyroid meds are not on the WADA list. They do not require a TUE.

Thyroid meds are not on the WADA list. They do not require a TUE.

Thyroid meds are not on the WADA list. They do not require a TUE.

Thyroid meds are not on the WADA list. They do not require a TUE.

Thyroid meds are not on the WADA list. They do not require a TUE.

Thyroid meds are not on the WADA list. They do not require a TUE.

Thyroid meds are not on the WADA list. They do not require a TUE.

Thyroid meds are not on the WADA list. They do not require a TUE.

Thyroid meds are not on the WADA list. They do not require a TUE.

Thyroid meds are not on the WADA list. They do not require a TUE.

Thyroid meds are not on the WADA list. They do not require a TUE.

Thyroid meds are not on the WADA list. They do not require a TUE.

Thyroid meds are not on the WADA list. They do not require a TUE.

Thyroid meds are not on the WADA list. They do not require a TUE.

Thyroid meds are not on the WADA list. They do not require a TUE.

Thyroid meds are not on the WADA list. They do not require a TUE.

Thyroid meds are not on the WADA list. They do not require a TUE.

rojo wrote:

(I'm reposting this from a few minutes ago as I had problems with the formatting of the other post).

rojo wrote:

Let me briefly explain why I said I need to re-read it and analyze it, but before I do let me state, I've been on the phone with sources all afternoon and haven't read most of this thread.

There is a lot of selective denials and some of the evidence is totally irrelevant.

Let's take the Cytomel for example.

Alberto provides a letter from Dr. Brown saying he told Kara Goucher to take Cytomel in August of 2011.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0248/8471/files/Exhibit_21.pdf?10179272499514451932

The problem for Alberto is that has nothing to do with the accusation made by the Gouchers in ProPublica was that Salazzar told her to get on Cytomel without a prescription early 2011 in March or April - before she ran 2:24 in the Boston marathon - just 5+ months after giving birth.

So the Goucher allegation hasn't been proven to be a lie as people are claiming. Salazar is providing a letter from Dr. Brown for a totally different time frame..

Very clever.

Kara Goucher never said she wasn't ever on Cytomel or a patient of Dr. Brown. She simply said that Alberto told her to take Cytomel early in 2011 when didn't have a prescription for it and that allegation stands.

As for the androgel, i'm not sure what has changed. The allegatiosn by ProPublica and the BBC were that a) Salazar had androgel in the camp b) he tested it on his son (and they even said Salazar said this was for sabotage reasons). Those allegations werent' refuted. They were simply confirmed by Salazar.

Here is another example of why it needs to be-read.Salazar doesn't really explain away the hollowed out book allegation either. People just think he did.

As was the case with the Goucher allegation on Cytomel, Salazar is explaning away the wrong thing. Salazar is explanied away the 'hollowed out book allegation' by saying he sent nasal spray in a book (and provided some emails showing he was asking some docs about nasal spray at the time) when in fact that's not what was alleged.

Here is allegation by Magness made in ProPublica.

ProPublica wrote:

Magness then flew to Dusseldorf to meet Rupp prior to the race. Soon after he arrived, Rupp told him he wasn't feeling well. Magness called Salazar, who he says told him to expect a package. Two days later, a box arrived at his hotel room. Inside it he found a paperback thriller. Confused, he flipped it open. A section of the pages had been hollowed out to form a compartment into which two pills were taped. "At that point," Magness says, "my mind was like, this is stuff you see in movies, this is extremely strange." He handed the pills to Rupp, who he says promptly swallowed them and laughed off the clandestine packaging as typical Salazar antics. Magness, who had been on the job less than two months, says he never asked what the pills were. At the end of the week, Rupp placed fourth in the 5K in Germany. Neither Salazar nor Rupp responded to questions about the hollowed-out book containing pills.

Salazar explains the hollowed out book by saying the following:

Salazar wrote:I sent Galen his Nasonex prescription. I put it inside a paperback book.

Well there is one huge difference here. Nasonex is a nasal spray. Magness specifically says that Salazar sent him pills in a hollowed out book. Salazar says it was a nasal spray which would be a lot harder to fit into a book.

This thus has turned into a he said - she said type argument. Magness says Salazar did one thing, Salazar says it never happened - the only difference is Salazar has cleverly provided documentation that makes it look like his side is totally validated.

rojo wrote:

(I'm reposting this from a few minutes ago as I had problems with the formatting of the other post).

rojo wrote:

Let me briefly explain why I said I need to re-read it and analyze it, but before I do let me state, I've been on the phone with sources all afternoon and haven't read most of this thread.

There is a lot of selective denials and some of the evidence is totally irrelevant.

Let's take the Cytomel for example.

Alberto provides a letter from Dr. Brown saying he told Kara Goucher to take Cytomel in August of 2011.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0248/8471/files/Exhibit_21.pdf?10179272499514451932

The problem for Alberto is that has nothing to do with the accusation made by the Gouchers in ProPublica was that Salazzar told her to get on Cytomel without a prescription early 2011 in March or April - before she ran 2:24 in the Boston marathon - just 5+ months after giving birth.

So the Goucher allegation hasn't been proven to be a lie as people are claiming. Salazar is providing a letter from Dr. Brown for a totally different time frame..

Very clever.

Kara Goucher never said she wasn't ever on Cytomel or a patient of Dr. Brown. She simply said that Alberto told her to take Cytomel early in 2011 when didn't have a prescription for it and that allegation stands.

As for the androgel, i'm not sure what has changed. The allegatiosn by ProPublica and the BBC were that a) Salazar had androgel in the camp b) he tested it on his son (and they even said Salazar said this was for sabotage reasons). Those allegations werent' refuted. They were simply confirmed by Salazar.

Here is another example of why it needs to be-read.Salazar doesn't really explain away the hollowed out book allegation either. People just think he did.

As was the case with the Goucher allegation on Cytomel, Salazar is explaning away the wrong thing. Salazar is explanied away the 'hollowed out book allegation' by saying he sent nasal spray in a book (and provided some emails showing he was asking some docs about nasal spray at the time) when in fact that's not what was alleged.

Here is allegation by Magness made in ProPublica.

ProPublica wrote:

Magness then flew to Dusseldorf to meet Rupp prior to the race. Soon after he arrived, Rupp told him he wasn't feeling well. Magness called Salazar, who he says told him to expect a package. Two days later, a box arrived at his hotel room. Inside it he found a paperback thriller. Confused, he flipped it open. A section of the pages had been hollowed out to form a compartment into which two pills were taped. "At that point," Magness says, "my mind was like, this is stuff you see in movies, this is extremely strange." He handed the pills to Rupp, who he says promptly swallowed them and laughed off the clandestine packaging as typical Salazar antics. Magness, who had been on the job less than two months, says he never asked what the pills were. At the end of the week, Rupp placed fourth in the 5K in Germany. Neither Salazar nor Rupp responded to questions about the hollowed-out book containing pills.

Salazar explains the hollowed out book by saying the following:

Salazar wrote:I sent Galen his Nasonex prescription. I put it inside a paperback book.

Well there is one huge difference here. Nasonex is a nasal spray. Magness specifically says that Salazar sent him pills in a hollowed out book. Salazar says it was a nasal spray which would be a lot harder to fit into a book.

This thus has turned into a he said - she said type argument. Magness says Salazar did one thing, Salazar says it never happened - the only difference is Salazar has cleverly provided documentation that makes it look like his side is totally validated.