Jordan Hasay scratched from both 5 & 10K--Why?

Her first work-out outside the water tank was 10 days ago.

Lets suppose after ten days she takes a minor timetrial or reviews one of her established workout markers. She and the coaches see that she is not going to be fit enough to contend for a Team USA berth. With this in mind they decide instead of rushing to get race fit as fast as possible she opts to take the safer slow and surer build-up mode.

Sure we have a cloud-but that cloud has been over Nike connected groups since the AWest in the 1980s. The way to minimize USADAWADA detection is well known in the athletic community- lets look for horses instead of zebras when the hoofbeats sound.

There seems to ample indication that Albuterol Sal does not treat all his athletes the same. Let's move past the speculation that drugs are at the basis of every choice an athlete makes including their vacation choices and lipstick shades.

wineturtle wrote:

Let's move past the speculation that drugs are at the basis of every choice an athlete makes including their vacation choices and lipstick shades.

Yes, let's move past that. We already know that drugs are the basis of every choice any NOPer ever makes.

Your reasoning could very well be 100% correct.

But my initial post on this thread never mentioned drugs.

I said (paraphrased) she might be upset with all the new revelations about NOP & her coach, causing her to decide to scratch.

I never said Hasay was involved in any way, shape, or form with drugs, or anything else about this whole mess.

I'm sure she isn't.

She seems like a decent person.

But some people just don't like conflict or controversy, and they do whatever is necessary to remove themselves from it.

But then again, maybe her excuse will be EXACTLY as you say!

Oh, she's filthy all right.

Every NOPer is a doper, and that includes little hasay.

aaron krohn wrote:

Your reasoning could very well be 100% correct

...and very likely is. So drop the usual nonsense from your posts all over the web and move on.

You don't get rid of plantar fasciitis, it gets rid of you.

aaron krohn wrote:

Your reasoning could very well be 100% correct.

But my initial post on this thread never mentioned drugs.

I said (paraphrased) she might be upset with all the new revelations about NOP & her coach, causing her to decide to scratch.

I never said Hasay was involved in any way, shape, or form with drugs, or anything else about this whole mess.

I'm sure she isn't.

She seems like a decent person.

But some people just don't like conflict or controversy, and they do whatever is necessary to remove themselves from it.

But then again, maybe her excuse will be EXACTLY as you say!

These new revelations are not about drugs?

Oh you refer to the ongoing international scandal about use of unauthorized screen doors on the clubhouse porch . . . how could any athlete not want to distance themselves from that . . .

Saw her at physical therapy on the Monday following PTF.

She had significant difficulty walking.

My thought at the time was that she had aggravated her injury by racing on Sat at PTF.

Just a simple misunderstanding.

Yes, the NOP revelations ARE about drugs.

But what I was trying to say was that Hasay might be affected psychologically & emotionally about these revelations, and decided she couldn't handle the media attention about it....OR just didn't WANT to!!

As I noted in an earlier post here, she voluntarily withdrew from Sopot, allowing Grunewald to run there.

She didn't HAVE to do that!

In fact, it SHOULD have been Salazar handling that, not Hasay!

So if her scratching isn't about her injury, then it COULD be what I suggested.

I hope you're right.

I hope she just decided to take her time coming back from the injury.

In the pre-scandal world, NOP/Salazar or the athlete in question would've publicly explained why they scratched

coach d wrote:

Injured women don't run 15:45 as an USATF Qualifier.

Exogenous testosterone that could be detected with a CIR test? If USADA is ready and waiting for them (and they SHOULD be).....

It will be interesting to see if scratches or DNS come from Rupp and Centro (and others).

The low level of intelligence by several runners and bad coaches like coach D are how it is possible to have some many "claims" about the NOP that are founded mostly on stupidity.

she's filthy wrote:

Oh, she's filthy all right.

Every NOPer is a doper, and that includes little hasay.

^this

Nobody so emaciated that her body was covered with lugano (fine body hair typical of anorectics) can run on a high level without drugs. It's obvious that she's been on high doses of Cytomel and other weight control drugs the last years.

Filthy, filthy, filthy. Yes.

aaron krohn wrote:

Just a simple misunderstanding.

Yes, the NOP revelations ARE about drugs.

But what I was trying to say was that Hasay might be affected psychologically & emotionally about these revelations, and decided she couldn't handle the media attention about it....OR just didn't WANT to!!

As I noted in an earlier post here, she voluntarily withdrew from Sopot, allowing Grunewald to run there.

She didn't HAVE to do that!

In fact, it SHOULD have been Salazar handling that, not Hasay!

So if her scratching isn't about her injury, then it COULD be what I suggested.

I hope you're right.

I hope she just decided to take her time coming back from the injury.

In the pre-scandal world, NOP/Salazar or the athlete in question would've publicly explained why they scratched

To a simpleton such as yourself maybe. To someone who understands the sport it wouldn't be so.

Mrr82 wrote:

The low level of intelligence by several runners and bad coaches like coach D are how it is possible to have some many "claims" about the NOP that are founded mostly on stupidity.

Nice job. Here you've bookended a practically unreadable sentence with condemnations of other people's brainpower, the second of these being redundant. I'm wondering what exactly you hoped to get across, though, so I'll do my best to translate your post into English:

"The low level of intelligence of several runners and bad coaches like coach D makes it possible to have so many claims about the NOP that are founded mostly on stupidity."

What you seem to be saying here is that because coach d and several other pLRC osters are unintelligent, it's safe to disregard all of the "NOP-is-guilty" talk here. And why not? This is far easier than evaluating individuals claims on their respective merits.

Might I invite you to at least consider the possibility that you are hopelessly retarded?

drugged to fame wrote:

she's filthy wrote:

Oh, she's filthy all right.

Every NOPer is a doper, and that includes little hasay.

^this

Nobody so emaciated that her body was covered with lugano (fine body hair typical of anorectics) can run on a high level without drugs. It's obvious that she's been on high doses of Cytomel and other weight control drugs the last years.

Filthy, filthy, filthy. Yes.

thank you! I've posted this many times, and every time I had my post removed. she is anorexic.

I wish the best to Ms. Hasay, because she always struck me as a person that wanted to be competitive with the best as a runner and be a GOOD PERSON, first and foremost. Her reputation may suffer from the fallout of this NOP investigation. When we are young, we may not be able to identify who we should associate with. We deserve the benefit of the doubt.

...some of you really need to get a hobby...

Ramxc wrote:

Saw her at physical therapy on the Monday following PTF.

She had significant difficulty walking.

My thought at the time was that she had aggravated her injury by racing on Sat at PTF.

Then why did she DECLARE rather than scratch on the 17th?

Patience :)

I don't just write it quickly. I think about each person and what I want to say.

To Kan the Man,

When I think about you generosity comes to mind. I remember you donated $ to a program that I was too old to apply to. I thought it was cool of you to give. I am sure some young person out there is grateful. When I have more money than you I will remember your contribution and be inspired to give back to the community.

Sounds NOT right wrote:

Ramxc wrote:

Saw her at physical therapy on the Monday following PTF.

She had significant difficulty walking.

My thought at the time was that she had aggravated her injury by racing on Sat at PTF.

Then why did she DECLARE rather than scratch on the 17th?

Perhaps her declaration was overly optimistic of getting back in 100% shape in time? This is quite normal. Man, what's with the vitriolic hate??