2nd Former Nike Oregon Project Massage Therapist Comes Forward And Admits He Had Grave Concerns - Went To USADA In 2012

Kupczak said the bond between Salazar and Rupp was so close Salazar would sometimes take over the massage duties from him when they were at training camps. “Sometimes we’d be somewhere and Galen likes his massages in the evening, so I would start to work on him and Alberto would say: ‘Al, you take the night off, I’ll give Galen a massage.’

“At first I was a little taken aback. I was thinking am I doing a good job? But then I realised they have a peculiar arrangement, it’s beyond son and father, like some people say, so I’d just laugh it off and think I’ve got the night off, good.”

If 17 different stories of lies, intentional overuse, doping teenagers and more isn't a doping program run by a coach, then I don't know what is.

Just to entertain the NOP faithful, what specifically constitutes "evidence" that Al Sal is running a sophisticated doping program? Please be specific.

Since you won't be responding, it's further confirmation of USATF Online Community Coordinator efforts to discredit the story.

I eagerly await your detailed response.

I think what people are looking for is:

"I saw Galen rub testosterone cream on his body."

Or "I took testosterone. We all did. I am sure Galen has."

This is the kind of stuff that brought down Lance. Not "walls of secrecy" or whatever.

Read the rest of the article. Put two and two together. No doubt Salazar wanted to "massage" Galen so he could rub androgel on him.

According to the USATF Online Community Coordinators, this is perfectly normal.

Is Al Sal going to put the therapist through the lawyer gauntlet like Armstrong did to O'Riley? (Forgive my spelling mistakes)

Jeff Albertson wrote:

I think what people are looking for is:

"I saw Galen rub testosterone cream on his body."

Or "I took testosterone. We all did. I am sure Galen has."

This is the kind of stuff that brought down Lance. Not "walls of secrecy" or whatever.

So, using exogenous Test on your kid so your teenage athlete never tests positive is perfectly okay? I realize it is totally within the rules, but, is it still okay?

Everything besides mail system fraud is perfectly legal. It's not running a clean program.

I'm looking for more specific evidence from the OP. Which, we won't get. Still eagerly awaiting a reply.

Ummm, having access to prescription drugs and giving them out is illegal. Salazar is not:

- a doctor;

- a pharmacist;

- a pharmacy owner.

Very strange indeed.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if Salazar just comes out and admits he was taking Androgel, not for his heart, but just because he wanted to feel better, more virulent, etc. He's weird enough that way.

runDirtyrun wrote:

So, using exogenous Test on your kid so your teenage athlete never tests positive is perfectly okay? I realize it is totally within the rules, but, is it still okay?

Everything besides mail system fraud is perfectly legal. It's not running a clean program.

I'm looking for more specific evidence from the OP. Which, we won't get. Still eagerly awaiting a reply.

First off, if you want people to answer honestly and seriously, don't be a JA when someone tries to. Your response that someone's answer is not "good enough" for your standards is no different than my claim that loads of speculation is not good to make me hate on the people I have followed in this sport for nearly a decade or more.

I DO want to hear an outright confession, or in the least, a therapist that can say THEY rubbed it on Galen or someone else. And just for the record, your posts frequently make it sound like every single person who has any doubt that NOP is dirty refuses to believe ANYTHING that has been reported. That is not the case, several of us just don't see this as black and white as you do. That's not an affront against you, it's just a differing of opinion.

Honestly, man, some of your posts can be so aggressive or one-sided. I get it, you believe in your heart Alberto is a filthy fvcking liar and Galen is his science experiment. We don't all share that POV...yet.

I didn't read anything in this article that sounds like evidence. It sounds like suspicion. Maybe some confirmation bias at work?

Salazar using androgel himself I think is at least 50/50 chance of being legit and prescribed properly by a doctor.

Salazar massaging Rupp is a little weird on an interpersonal level, but doesn't sound illegal or suspicious to me. Rupp could rub in his own androgel without Alberto's help, right?

Put yourself in the shoes of the accused. Would you want to be on trial based on the "evidence" we have so far? Would it meet the threshold of evidence for indictment in your ordinary crime drama movie or tv show?

I'm not arguing NOP is innocent. I'm just saying that we seen have no damning evidence so far. No eyewitess accounts, no positive tests, no cover-up of positive tests, no testimony under oath.

comical stuff wrote:

Read the rest of the article. Put two and two together. No doubt Salazar wanted to "massage" Galen so he could rub androgel on him.

That does seem like the obvious implication. It's time to get AlSal out of the sport. Putting pressure on Mo to leave him is probably a good place to start. I feel bad for Rupp. None of this is exactly his fault, and maybe he'll manage to get away from all this without a ban and without having to vacate any of his past results, but his reputation is now shot among the small number of Americans who care about competitive distance running in the first place.

If Mo does leave in, say, September, I think we'll see a steady exodus from NOP that gets it down to just Rupp and Salazar by November, and that the NOP name will also be dropped before the indoor season starts.

In that scenario, I hope Rupp would make the tough call and walk away from Salazar too, but I'm not sure he will. Sad situation.

ICPL wrote:

Very strange indeed.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if Salazar just comes out and admits he was taking Androgel, not for his heart, but just because he wanted to feel better, more virulent, etc. He's weird enough that way.

That would likely set off worldwide discovery of the worst kept secret in IOC sports, Testosterone abuse. Good thing no one is taking HGH. :/

So this coach has a banned substance with him and doesn't want his athletes to touch his luggage? Then he sends the massage therapist away and takes over the massage...it's getting pretty smokey in my opinion!!

Lol the link in the op

http://www.theguardian.com/spo...-therapist

Putting rapist in therapist

comical stuff wrote:

Read the rest of the article. Put two and two together. No doubt Salazar wanted to "massage" Galen so he could rub androgel on him.

And, this why Salazar shares a private room with Rupp. It's easier to hide what the massage rubbing lotion. It also makes sense that Rupp wants the massages late in the day. The excess lotion should diminish by morning when levels are more "optimal."

Also, Farah has shared a room with Rupp. (Oxy High Performance meet in May, 2013.) From a Ken Goe article:

"Salazar said Farah and Rupp roomed together that night at a hotel. Neither slept, Farah because he constantly needed the bathroom, and Rupp because Farah was so weak, Rupp had to carry him there from his bed."

After being deathly ill, Farah won the 5k the next day, and poor Rupp DNFed. Farah's recovery was amazing. Whatever Rupp gave him saved sick Mo. Rupp didn't have enough left to save himself.

runDirtyrun wrote:

If 17 different stories of lies, intentional overuse, doping teenagers and more isn't a doping program run by a coach, then I don't know what is.

Just to entertain the NOP faithful, what specifically constitutes "evidence" that Al Sal is running a sophisticated doping program? Please be specific.

Since you won't be responding, it's further confirmation of USATF Online Community Coordinator efforts to discredit the story.

I eagerly await your detailed response.

I don't think the OP is scurrilously trying to seed doubt. I think there's about a 65% chance he's trolling (I would put it higher than that, but the absence of smugness concerns me) and a 35% chance he's flirting with retardation.

If it's the latter, OP, consider this:

You think it would be weird for someone giving his athletes testosterone to express concern that they might be "contaminated" by coming into contact with the stuff. I mean, they would test positive anyway, right?

Well, if you were Alberto and wanted to keep certain members of your support team in the dark about how you were using "your" testosterone cream, what kind of things would YOU say? Of COURSE you'd say things intended to casually and obliquely establish that you were doing nothing untoward.

If I had a habit of sneaking over to the farm next door at night and buggering the sheep there, I might be the first one to tell my neighbor, "You know, I've seen some of your animals walking funny lately. You might want to put up better fencing to keep the sexual deviants off your property. Just sayin'."

Bullet the Blue Sky wrote:

Salazar massaging Rupp is a little weird on an interpersonal level, but doesn't sound illegal or suspicious to me. Rupp could rub in his own androgel without Alberto's help, right?

Yet, Rupp doesn't. He prefers that Salazar rub the magic lotion into him.

Read the rest of the article. Put two and two together. No doubt Salazar wanted to "massage" Galen so he could rub androgel on him.[/quote]

And, this why Salazar shares a private room with Rupp. It's easier to hide what the massage rubbing lotion. It also makes sense that Rupp wants the massages late in the day. The excess lotion should diminish by morning when levels are more "optimal."

Also, Farah has shared a room with Rupp. (Oxy High Performance meet in May, 2013.) From a Ken Goe article:

"Salazar said Farah and Rupp roomed together that night at a hotel. Neither slept, Farah because he constantly needed the bathroom, and Rupp because Farah was so weak, Rupp had to carry him there from his bed."

http://www.oregonlive.com/trackandfield/index.ssf/2013/05/oregon_track_field_rundown_alb_11.html

After being deathly ill, Farah won the 5k the next day, and poor Rupp DNFed. Farah's recovery was amazing. Whatever Rupp gave him saved sick Mo. Rupp didn't have enough left to save himself.

http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/250716-USATF-Oxy-High-Performance-Meet-2013/article/20602-RESULTS-2013-USATF-Oxy-High-Performance-Meet

POTMFY

Thank you.

I like that runDIRTYrun expects "detailed responses" when we would just like "detailed outlines" of cheating before casting stones. People need to stop hiding behind the "17 athletes" argument, because those 17 athletes aren't saying they saw anyone dope.

Their statements are more like "It wouldn't surprise me," or "there's a wall of secrecy." And what sounds loudest is the lack of "Salazar asked me to dope."