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Bowerman TC who already has too many 5k/10k guys (though couple are injured and/or old).
Or Rowlands, who doesn't have a 5k guys that I can think of?
Hassan Mead
Really hope he goes to BTC.
I am actually pulling for Rowland on this one. He is a smart, consistent coach. With symmonds and mead and blankenship the last few years running 1:42, 13:02, 3:34 under him - he has the credentials. That group is strong right now.
I would be dissappinted with NOP or the Schumacher groups. Though it wouldn't happen, i think a great other option would be with NJ/NY with Frank Gagliano. Gags is a legend and has nike legacy and Donn Cabral who is with Nike is there. Cabral would be a good guy to do all thelong tempo's and 20 milers with, and then he would have kyle merber/mike rutt/ford palmer type guys to hit the track with.
Djhshshaja wrote:
I am actually pulling for Rowland on this one. He is a smart, consistent coach. With symmonds and mead and blankenship the last few years running 1:42, 13:02, 3:34 under him - he has the credentials. That group is strong right now.
I would be dissappinted with NOP or the Schumacher groups. Though it wouldn't happen, i think a great other option would be with NJ/NY with Frank Gagliano. Gags is a legend and has nike legacy and Donn Cabral who is with Nike is there. Cabral would be a good guy to do all thelong tempo's and 20 milers with, and then he would have kyle merber/mike rutt/ford palmer type guys to hit the track with.
AGREED with regards to Rowland, don't know enough to comment on the east coast group.
But believe that a move to BTC is a mistake. I have been a big fan of Schumachers in the past, but as each year passes i'm becoming less and less convinced that he has a grip on making his guys FAST. He obviously has strength figured out, but all of the components of a lethal close, pace change, etc, the things that makes someone a great racer, seem to be subpar.
And all of his athletes keep moving up in distance. To me, that's a sign that they keep developing their strength but that their speed development is not in step with it. Obviously Jager is the exception, but even with his 3.32, he still has to show that he can explode with the Kenyans, OFF ANY PACE, in the steeple. I think everyone watching knows that he is capable of it, but has he had the proper training to do that one critical task??
So with an eye to Jenkins, it would be a shame to see him go to that group and actually lose so much of that sleek closing speed he seems to posses. I look at Ryan Hill, am i not seeing clearly, or does it appear that his closing speed is on the decline, rather than continuing to improve on what he brought with him from college. He's a prime example of the route i would not want to go if i was Jenkins.
There you go, have at it!! :)
Totally agree with the previous poster. BTC guys aren't great racers. They lack good kicks at the end of races. They have so many amazing runners that are really not reaching their potential.
Bumbalough is hurt
Andy Bayer isn't competitive in flat events
Elliott Heath has barely run
Fernandez is a disappointment
Webb did nothing in that group
Solinsky is done
Derrick is hurt
Lomong is burnt out
Huling hasn't PR'd in the steeple since joining the group
Teg is burnt out
Ryan Hill and Evan Jager are running well but it's likely neither of them could make an outdoor World team at 1500 or 5k.
All of these guys were more accomplished NCAA runners than Mead, True, and Blankenship. Yet, Rowland and Coogan/Tim Broe have those guys racing great.
Salazar should get those guys for about a month in the summer to work the max speed.
jjjjjj wrote:
Salazar should get those guys for about a month in the summer to work the max speed.
Jenkins will stay in Eugene and be coached by Powell and train with the Oregon guys + OTC.
I think the criticisms are fair for almost everything you said, but highlighting Jager as underperforming is ridiculous.
to maximize his potential he should be coached by, wait for it, Ryan Hall (+ god). to earn extra cash, he'll be a christian rapper named Dee EN eff Mmmm, that's good stuff
Djhshshaja wrote:
I am actually pulling for Rowland on this one. He is a smart, consistent coach. With symmonds and mead and blankenship the last few years running 1:42, 13:02, 3:34 under him - he has the credentials. That group is strong right now.
I would be dissappinted with NOP or the Schumacher groups. Though it wouldn't happen, i think a great other option would be with NJ/NY with Frank Gagliano. Gags is a legend and has nike legacy and Donn Cabral who is with Nike is there. Cabral would be a good guy to do all thelong tempo's and 20 milers with, and then he would have kyle merber/mike rutt/ford palmer type guys to hit the track with.
ReallyDude? wrote:
I think the criticisms are fair for almost everything you said, but highlighting Jager as underperforming is ridiculous.
I would say there is no criticism of Jaeger, but that even he, who has been the best performer for BTC, exemplifies the short comings noticed in the trends of the group. The tools he possesses and how well they have been honed by Schumacher was the main point.
Here's a 3:32 guy (finally!! Probably should be a 3:30 guy if he was focused on the event), and the American record holder in the steeple who is competitive on the world stage, and someone we know should dip under 13 very soon. The one skill that he has to have, that has to be improved upon, that we would hope to see increase incrementally, year to year, is the ability to close (from 600 out) with the Kenyans.
Again, i just think, overall, the training philosophy doesn't lend itself to developing this aspect of all of these very good runners, and unfortunately, this aspect is what's needed to truly shine on the world scene.
I agree with Post-it about the BTC. Hill and Jager are currently the only consistent performers from that group. It seems odd that so many are struggling with injuries and burnout. Perhaps the training intensity and/or volume was raised to new level this year.
adfadf wrote:
Totally agree with the previous poster. BTC guys aren't great racers. They lack good kicks at the end of races. They have so many amazing runners that are really not reaching their potential.
Bumbalough is hurt
Andy Bayer isn't competitive in flat events
Elliott Heath has barely run
Fernandez is a disappointment
Webb did nothing in that group
Solinsky is done
Derrick is hurt
Lomong is burnt out
Huling hasn't PR'd in the steeple since joining the group
Teg is burnt out
Ryan Hill and Evan Jager are running well but it's likely neither of them could make an outdoor World team at 1500 or 5k.
All of these guys were more accomplished NCAA runners than Mead, True, and Blankenship. Yet, Rowland and Coogan/Tim Broe have those guys racing great.
This is why you want good sports medicine.
Derrick, Bumbalough, and Fernandez (again) essentially missing out on an entire season is a major blow to that group. The whole team has struggled with injuries. Maybe Jerry needs to rethink his training philosophy.
They added Houlihan and Quigley. Infield and Hill clearly running well. Unfortunately, the 30+ guys are done on the track.
adfadf wrote:
Totally agree with the previous poster. BTC guys aren't great racers. They lack good kicks at the end of races. They have so many amazing runners that are really not reaching their potential.
Bumbalough is hurt
Andy Bayer isn't competitive in flat events
Elliott Heath has barely run
Fernandez is a disappointment
Webb did nothing in that group
Solinsky is done
Derrick is hurt
Lomong is burnt out
Huling hasn't PR'd in the steeple since joining the group
Teg is burnt out
Ryan Hill and Evan Jager are running well but it's likely neither of them could make an outdoor World team at 1500 or 5k.
All of these guys were more accomplished NCAA runners than Mead, True, and Blankenship. Yet, Rowland and Coogan/Tim Broe have those guys racing great.
this is not a fair assessment of how these athletes are doing.
BTC
give Bayer more time...he claims to be in 1500m PR shape (3:34) and he's improving constantly in the steeple. and who cares if he's just good at steeple, at least he has one thing.
Huling has also run really close to his steeple PR a few times since joining BTC. he seems on track to PR in the right race. dude just ran 8:14 at USAs, big negative split in hot weather.
Hill just won the 5k at USAs...so rethink that statement.
Jager could probably make the 5k team, but not the 1500.
also, True doesn't train with Mark Rowland, so idk why you brought him up. Hassan Mead hasn't actually been running THAT well. he had the great 13:02 against True, and he made the world team for 10k, but nothing else really stands out as great. blankenships been great though.
also, it just occurred to me that you posted this before USAs, so many things have changed.
While the list is harsh (and a bit biased following their failures at USA's) it's kinda true that that whole group isn't really "there."
That said, I struggle to say Lomong is "burnt out," He ran 13:07 last year; just hasn't seemed to click this year. He doesn't race much but stays consistent, traditionally.
"Ryan Hill and Evan Jager are running well but it's likely neither of them could make an outdoor World team at 1500 or 5k."
-hahahahaha!
Bumbalough is hurt- as is Ciaran...as is hasay...get the point?
Andy Bayer isn't competitive in flat events- how many high class "flat events" has he run in the last 18 months? Does performance in a "flat event" mean more than a steeplechase if that's what your focus is?
Elliott Heath has barely run- point taken
Fernandez is a disappointment- was also before joining group
Webb did nothing in that group- did nothing in ANY group but Razco
Solinsky is done- have you seen a surgically attached hamstring before? Gnarly.
Derrick is hurt- bad Achilles. Chronic injury since college. Wear and tear happens. Did you see his 3peat natl champ xc run?
Lomong is burnt out- whaaaat? Hardly.
Huling hasn't PR'd in the steeple since joining the group- 8.14 in extreme heat? That counts for nothing? Much more consistent than pre-btc.
Teg is burnt out- again, what? Where do you get this? He's old, dude. Old. Eventually everyone runs out of juice.
Ryan Hill and Evan Jager are running well but it's likely neither of them could make an outdoor World team at 1500 or 5k. Egg on your face there after a 3.32 and home straight 5k destruction, right?
All that being said, Jenkins is NOT a good fit for btc. He's a prick. Plain and simple. Nothing down to earth about him by any stretch of the imagination, and I'm a true blue Oregon fan/alum.