J.R. wrote:
paying no attention to fools, as any sane person would do.
J.R., you wouldn't have a clue what sane people do, you would fools though.
J.R. wrote:
paying no attention to fools, as any sane person would do.
J.R., you wouldn't have a clue what sane people do, you would fools though.
erik wrote:
nobrojos wrote:I don't find the allegations to come across as cheating/doping. We all know Galen has had asthma since a child…this is not cheating using an inhaler. My friend has severe asthma and NEEDS inhalers to live, but shouldn't be able to run because this medical condition? It's a major handicap to have asthma and even when you have steroid inhalers he still has complications especially if he gets sick. He takes prednisone when he gets sick to help clear the inflammation faster and usually feels like hell when on it. Thyroid conditions probably develop from excessive training. Not to be messed with because I had a teammate that had a thyroid condition and took medication, his weight would go from skinny to fat, who wants a medication causing weight gain once off of it?
It sounds to be like these are petty allegations and nothing there at all. I'm kind of disgusted by the constant bombardment of it. The whole Lauren freshman article was ridiculous. So she seeks Alberto out to help her get an inhaler when prior a doctor said she didn't need one. He helps her and she gets one…then she writes an article slamming him for helping her out. He tells her to take it a certain way and my God what a horrible human and cheater for telling her to breathe it through her noes.
Am I the only one who finds this shit petty? It's NOT cheating or doping.
Cheating was Tyson Gay who is already at the track competing for the USA, where was the slander and constant bashing on this dude? What's with the hate with the NOP?
1. Lying to get TUEs. If these medications were used only to treat pre-existing conditions, that's one thing. Instead, we have numerous people describing how Salazar has coached his athletes to say and do the right things IN ORDER TO BE DIAGNOSED WITH A CONDITION that then gives them "legal" access to drugs with performance enhancing benefits. See the numerous athletes describing the "routine" to get asthma drugs or Salazar coaching Rupp on how to get a TUE for an IV.
2. Using medication for performance enhancement, not medical need. While taking thyroid meds extends far beyond Alberto's group, it's my opinion, and many others, that if your body becomes too fatigued by training to regulate itself, you need to adjust your training, not your body. I see no clear difference between using testosterone or steroids to improve recovery and using thyroid to improve recovery. The end is the same. The only difference is that thyroid is legal, steroids/test is not. If you could get a TUE for testosterone, everything we know indicates that Al Sal woudl have a bunch of athletes with low testosterone levels. (We know he already treated Galen for it...). This is not "I will die without my inhaler," this is a strategic attempt to get access to medical treatments that may improve performance regardless of medical need.
3. Illegal disbursement of prescription drugs. The issue isn't just legal TUEs, but illegal use of Rx drugs. Note Kara Goucher and cytomel, as well as sending Rx drugs through the mail. It is a crime to give drugs to people without a medical license, and it is illegal to send prescription drugs through the mail to people who don't need them.
4. Potential long-term physical harm to athletes. Related to (2) and (3) above, these drugs are not harmless. Thyroid drugs, and some asthma drugs, can have negative side effects. Thyroid drugs especially can affect people's metabolism for life, and have extremely negative side effects if misused. For example, suggesting Kara use thyroid for WEIGHT LOSS, and providing an Rx not for her, is both illegal and puts her health at risk. That's why a real doctor, not a mad scientist, told Salazar in so many words to knock that shit off.
5. Illegal performance enhancing drugs. The allegations extend far beyond just TUEs. Note the testosterone on Galen's chart, note the Androgel in Salazar's room during the training camp, note Salazar's son being tested for testosterone to see what levels they can reach without being detected, note the witness testimony of NOP doctors telling the anonymous runner that he will get him on testosterone to even out his levels. Also note the non-definitive circumstantial evidence of unlabeled vials in cabs and training camp. It ain't just about thyroid and inhalers.
So, no, I for one do not find lying to get TUEs, using medication off purposes, illegal distributing drugs, putting athlete's bodies at risk, and potentially using banned substance as "PETTY."
And of course the information you have is factual and with complete absolute knowledge you have gathered. Or just hearsay from the various articles and innuendoes by past bitter athletes and coaches? Please present your hard evidence ,we all have been waiting!
Clearly you are not connected to any aspect of professional sport outside of being a spectator. Whats been discussed in this thread is a candy store in comparisons to what any professional athletic team does to support, boost give the edge and back on the playing field approach for its athletes. Check out a pro soccer teams training room, football, basketball etc.
U of Oregon Class of 1981 wrote:
At the end of the day, Alberto is a class act, through and through. Those who are accusing him of these falsehoods -- not so much.
I've met Alberto on multiple occasions, and can tell you firsthand that he believes in a clean sport. This isn't up for debate. Read Alberto's statement if you must.
Do you think it's a coincidence that those accusing him of these made-up allegations are all disgruntled former Nike employees? Naturally, they had nothing but positive things to say when they were getting better paid by Nike. When they got dropped, they decided to make up these gross allegations. Shame on them.
For the record, Galen's parents stand by Alberto, and that ought to count for something as well. Do you really think they would have let him give their son steroids? Of course not.
The misinformation on this board disgusts me.
Agree. Let's say their is something that makes him 100% guilty of some rule breaking. (Because all we have now is hearsay -- if you've ever observed a tough court case, etc.)
The denizens of witch and Frankenstein hunts, the haters on this board, automatically swallow everything that could look bad as already fact in a court of law.
There's too many stories that get exaggerated here, blown up to distortion, and a pack mentality.
Wait for it all to play out, I say...
And that journalist really did a poor job. "With the gate unlocked." = The gate didn't have a lock on it, so I took the liberty to open the gate and enter the mans property and knock on the door.
Let's not forget the British Press were convinced 100% that Amanda Knox was guilty. And we saw what the Italian Supreme Court did with that case - threw it out on its ass because it was a case full of distorted "facts," suspect evidence and holes.
I'm not going to have an opinion until it all plays out.
Hopefully the Salazar family will get a lock for their gate, and a security system because British journalists are criminals all too often in their invasion of privacy.
Next they'll be trying to clone/tap his mobile like they did in the UK.
wejo wrote:
when I got back from the Olympics we got a letter from his lawyer asking for the IP addresses and "identification information" of 117 different poster's names who he claimed were defaming his client. I told him we were not legally liable for the information posters posted but that if he would send me the posts that he deemed were defamatory I would look into them. I viewed it totally as an intimidation tactic or an attempt to find out who his critics were. The lawyer did not write back with a single post that was defamatory.
As a public figure, Salazar would find it nearly impossible to win a defamation lawsuit in the US over doping allegations. Nobody "knows" he or his athletes are innocent, so the malicious-intent hurdle is way too high.
And if he tried, he'd only face that much more bad publicity.
A Duck wrote:
And that journalist really did a poor job. "With the gate unlocked." = The gate didn't have a lock on it, so I took the liberty to open the gate and enter the mans property and knock on the door.
unlock:
to open (anything closed or joined)
Also, no 'Do not Enter' sign so quite at liberty and within his rights to enter and approach the door, ring the doorbell or knock at the door as there was nothing on the door to say otherwise.
I feel like you have a very tenuous grasp on what hearsay means... Testimony from one's first hand experiences isn't quite hearsay... But who knows, maybe the rules of evidence have it all wrong...
J.R. wrote:
paying no attention to fools, as any sane person would do.
You wouldn't have a clue. wrote:
J.R., you wouldn't have a clue what sane people do, you would fools though.
You'd have a point, if the only people I knew were typical LR posters.
It's not easy to find sane people like me hahahaha, but actually I know quite a few, plus I know what I do hahaha!
Al feared him wrote:
...Al certainly feared him cos he drove away when confronted by him.
WHAT!?!?! You nothing about Alberto. He fears no one. He had a friggin' Rottweiler in his Jag-mobile.
A Duck wrote:
Wait for it all to play out, I say...I'm not going to have an opinion until it all plays out.
Of course you're not. After all, as you blather and blubber away about shitty journalism and witch hunts and people jumping the gun and hearsay (a word you and the other denialist-retards relish misusing), it's obvious that you're just as prepared to accept Alberto's guilt as you are to trumpet his innocence.
You are clearly objective and impartial, in the same spirit that the black members of the jury for O.J. Simpson's murder trial were objective and impartial.
And I see NO indication that you may actually have a touch of unmedicated or undermedicated schizophrenia. No overly foreboding tone or paranoia or any of that intrusive stuff.
Missing wrote:
And of course the information you have is factual and with complete absolute knowledge you have gathered. Or just hearsay from the various articles and innuendoes by past bitter athletes and coaches? Please present your hard evidence ,we all have been waiting!
Clearly you are not connected to any aspect of professional sport outside of being a spectator. Whats been discussed in this thread is a candy store in comparisons to what any professional athletic team does to support, boost give the edge and back on the playing field approach for its athletes. Check out a pro soccer teams training room, football, basketball etc.
I trust David Epstein, ProPublica as an organization, and Steve Magness. What they have reported is not innuendo.
Lance Armstrong skated by for years telling people, "Please present your hard evidence ,we all have been waiting!" What did him in was not hard evidence, but a preponderance of testimony from others.
Anyway, as you are clearly in the know -- far more in the know than David Epstein or any other former NOP/Nike athletes who has shared their experiences -- I'd like to hear your inside knowledge about other professional sports athletes and their methods. That said, you could tell me, and prove, that every pro soccer player and footballer was doped to the gills with everything from EPO to testosterone to Advair to deer antler spray, and it wouldn't change one iota the ethical interpretation we should give to the allegations against Salazar.
A defense lawyer and a prosecutor enter a court room to argue a murder charge. The prosecutor presents 10 eye witnesses. The defense lawyer says, "no! show me the hard evidence!" The prosecutor then shows emails from the defendant admitting to hiding murder weapons. The defense lawyer says, "No, show me the hard evidence!" The prosecutor comes back with 7 more witnesses, and gets more testimony from one who helped clean up the crime scene. The cleaner shows receipts for doing so, and explains how it fits the timeline of everything. The defendant doesn't contest anything in that regard. The defense attorney says, "No! Show me the hard evidence."
"If it don't fit. You must acquit!"
-- OJ's Attorney
An interesting thing the defense against OJ missed. Because the gloves were evidence they could not be touched. OJ had to wear thin rubber gloves before trying the well-fitting gloves on. Try putting a pair of your gloves wearing rubber gloves. You can't.
Of course, OJ was guilty of murder. OJ is now rotting away in jail. So karma-happened.
Karma will happen to Salazar. His past is finally catching up to him.
A Duck wrote:
U of Oregon Class of 1981 wrote:At the end of the day, Alberto is a class act, through and through. Those who are accusing him of these falsehoods -- not so much..
The denizens of witch and Frankenstein hunts, the haters on this board, automatically swallow everything that could look bad as already fact in a court of law.
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Having a nice conversation with yourself A Duck? At least you have someone who sees things exactly the way you do! Hah!
erik wrote:
I trust David Epstein, ProPublica as an organization, and Steve Magness. What they have reported is not innuendo.
Right, and everything posted on LR is credible.
LOL ... and everything posted on LR by Salazar's PR course cleanup machine is credible.
Leirbag wrote:
they embellish, lie, don't fact check, and could care less about journalistic integrity.
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Lol... when I firsst read this I thought you were referring to the blojos. It certainly fits.
https://www.propublica.org/article/former-team-members-accuse-coach-alberto-salazar-of-breaking-drug-ruleshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLfbqqAEKwohttp://www.propublica.org/article/elite-runner-had-qualms-alberto-salazar-asthma-drug-performanceOf course you do wrote:
erik wrote:I trust David Epstein, ProPublica as an organization, and Steve Magness. What they have reported is not innuendo.
Right, and everything posted on LR is credible.
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Of course you do wrote:
erik wrote:I trust David Epstein, ProPublica as an organization, and Steve Magness. What they have reported is not innuendo.
Right, and everything posted on LR is credible.
Huh, what does the credibility of stuff posted on LR have to with trusting "David Epstein, ProPublica as an organization, and Steve Magness"?
Cheeky brit journalists.
Salazar is well within his rights to be peeved if these guys are haunting his house.
Brit tabloid journalists are infamous butt-holes.
Fun loving prix with bad attitudes, yes?
Al certainly overstepped his job description, but pro journalists know how to behave better than this. There are professional standards. Give the guy a break.
Matt Lawton is not a journalist. His title is "Chief Sports Reporter".
The Daily Mail does not employ journalists.
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