How much is Jerry Schumacher enjoying this

He's smiling up until Jager gets busted

If NOP were to break up, I think Rowland might actually benefit more.

I don't think Evan will be busted. No whispers of PED's from the Schumacher camp

Great post by the OP. For all these years, it must have killed him to watch Alberto get away with this crap for years. And we're not even talking about getting away with the personal stuff - the near fight at USAs.

Can you imagine working in the same building as someone like that every single day?

I can't imagine how great he must be feeling right now.

I bet though he's a little nervous. "Do you think they'll still get away with it?" is what I'd be thinking.

If Alberto's gets booted, Jerry's life gets a lot more enjoyable on a personal level plus he'll get all of the nIke athletes/.

Even if they do get away with it, at least in the court of public opinion, it's Jerry 1. Alberto 0.

No, centro will go to Rowland. Rupp goes to Aden with Farah. Rowbury goes back to The Bay. Moser retires. Hasay goes who knows where.

Scattered in the wind wrote:

No, centro will go to Rowland. Rupp goes to Aden with Farah. Rowbury goes back to The Bay. Moser retires. Hasay goes who knows where.

As if it matters where Hasay goes.

I believe most people would say the public opinion has always been Jerry 1, Alberto 0. Atleast anyone with any sort of integrity felt that way.

Jerry should probably not feel great. If they are busted and his runners become number 1 by default well, that's like losing on a scratch in pool, no one feels like they actually won.

Sorry to say it but if his guys go back to being the best in the country then we go back to a bunch of 13:12 guys who can't get it done... Just like before. Even if Rupp is dirty he is pushing those guys to be even better, pushing us to higher heights - the clean guys!! If they become the best with no one to chase and no confidence in beating Ethiopians and Kenyans, then, like I said, we are back to nobodies on the distance world stage... A slew of guys just scraping under 13:20 who can't get the job done anywhere.

Solinsky 12:55/12:55/12:56/26:59

Teg 12:58

Jager 3:32.97/AR's at steeple/8:05/8:05/8:08, etc./low 13

Flanagan 2:21

Lomong 3:32/low 13

Derrick 10th World XC, 13:08

vs.

Ritz 12:56

Rupp 3:34/3:51/12:58/26:44 AR

Farah--not American

Levins--not American

Centro 3:31/13:20

Rowbury 2/8:29/14:48

I'm skipping plenty but enough to show that Jerry's acquitted himself well.

Probably great wrote:

Jerry should probably not feel great. If they are busted and his runners become number 1 by default well, that's like losing on a scratch in pool, no one feels like they actually won.

Sorry to say it but if his guys go back to being the best in the country then we go back to a bunch of 13:12 guys who can't get it done... Just like before. Even if Rupp is dirty he is pushing those guys to be even better, pushing us to higher heights - the clean guys!! If they become the best with no one to chase and no confidence in beating Ethiopians and Kenyans, then, like I said, we are back to nobodies on the distance world stage... A slew of guys just scraping under 13:20 who can't get the job done anywhere.

I'm pretty sure Jager has his sights set on the Kenyans and a WC medal this year and could care less about Rupp.

That said, I understand your point about the Rupp creating motivation for the other top US men, especially now.

Her-Bear wrote:

I don't think Evan will be busted. No whispers of PED's from the Schumacher camp

No, but there have been whispers of thyroid use.

I have no idea if there is any truth to it, but it might be worth a question or two from a journalist at USAs.

endocrine system wrote:

Her-Bear wrote:

I don't think Evan will be busted. No whispers of PED's from the Schumacher camp

No, but there have been whispers of thyroid use.

I have no idea if there is any truth to it, but it might be worth a question or two from a journalist at USAs.

Dang, Jager is using his thyroid now? Holy crap. I wonder if I can consciously start using my thyroid as a PED, too.

jjjjj wrote:

Solinsky 12:55/12:55/12:56/26:59

Teg 12:58

Jager 3:32.97/AR's at steeple/8:05/8:05/8:08, etc./low 13

Flanagan 2:21

Lomong 3:32/low 13

Derrick 10th World XC, 13:08

vs.

Ritz 12:56

Rupp 3:34/3:51/12:58/26:44 AR

Farah--not American

Levins--not American

Centro 3:31/13:20

Rowbury 2/8:29/14:48

I'm skipping plenty but enough to show that Jerry's acquitted himself well.

Yes, but Centro is The Man. As a result, whatever group he is associated with is The Group.

Jerry's group is not transparent at all? why? and since their is no transparency how does he (the group) get away with it? Why all the secrecy? How many of their athletes are taking supplements, medications for illness, or other forms of prescription or non prescription drugs? Surely someone in the group is taking something...even if it is considered legal?...but what? Can someone please start asking Jerry's athletes on video what their athletes might using? Do they have something to hide?

Its an open secret that Schumacher hates Salazar and he should know as much as anyone outside of NOP what has been going on. Yet he is not speaking out. What does that tell you?

If you don't think this is a battle between Nike vs other corporate shoe companies, you are deluding yourself. I'm not saying its all about that, but its a whole other dimension to this story that is not being recognized.

Yet, Maybe the focus will be on Schumacher\\\'s crew if they become the no. 1 group in Oregon.

I have heard rumours of asthma medication, thyroid and locked fridges in appartments with Jerry’s guys as well. Did Jerry’s guys have access to the same Nike lab NOP used. Were any of them referred by the same scientists to doctors for a thyroid or asthma evaluation?

Teg's decline from a sub 13 guy to where he is now is truly staggering. It is almost like he was on something and either had second thoughts or realised he was no longer competitive so stopped taking it. I just don’t get the guy. He so rarely races when this is supposed to be his profession. What is the point of racing a 5K in 1355 and then not racing again for the rest of the summer? It is like he his hiding away.

Solinksys decline is worrying in the same way although that is clouded by the injury he suffered.

Maybe they were on the thyroid stuff etc. and thought better of it. Interesting to note in the last few years none of Jerry’s guys have got close to the times that Teg and Solinksy were running for 5K when arguably they have at least as much talent. Derrick, Lamong etc. Derrick has not approached Sols 10K time despite being so quick over 5K as a junior.

Maybe Jerry realised the s**t was going to hit the fan and got his guys off the stuff a few years ago before it happened.

I would like to ask Teg and Solinsky if they ever took thyroid, asthma medication or any other substances when they competed at their best.

Jager is the only one running really quick now but I can buy the fact he can run the times he is without thyroid etc. although I think he is asthmatic? 804 - 805 chase is probably worth 735 to 740 3K flat if you have good technique. I can believe that can be done legally and 3.32.97 is great but it’s not unbelievable that someone can run that legally with someone pulling them round nearly the entire race.

Sad thing about the sport is you just don’t know what you can believe anymore. I doubt a dirty Rupp could not run as fast as a clean Solinsky. Farah’s PR is only 2 seconds faster than Sol in the 5K.

They also kind of...I don't know..got old? Not everyone can keep running 5ks at 13:teens until 40. Wait, most can't.

So you're saying that a group that basically uses the same facilities and is bankrolled by the same organization as NOP should not be questioned.

If anything Shumacher has been more secretive than NOP over the years.

And a muscle that gets ripped off a bone does not raise questions?

Sorry to say, that whole place smells like sh!t.

I will still root for them (both groups), because I'm sure many other int'l pros are doing something in the 'grey-zone' or outright illegal.