Lauren Fleshman speaks out- "I definitely do think that's an ethical violation."

Sweet "not" joke, bro

That's your contribution? You sit around and wast part of your day typing that? Sucks to be you.

1992 called wrote:

2daclueless wrote:

Fleshman, Gouchers, etc...are all a joke and anything but brave or honorable. If, that's "if", they are telling the truth and care about the integrity of the sport, why didn't they speak up from the very beginning? Now, they all want a piece of the action...to be heard and known for doing so.

It's like observing a robbery or something devious by someone you know, then after the fact, claiming that you witnessed it.

That's not brave for someone who claims to have balls (yes people, she said that because she was on tv and knew that people would talk about it, aka showing off and trying to be cool...NOT!).

Sweet "not" joke, bro

Yes, the wast (waste) was on purpose as I knew it would provoke you to post again. You're a sad little man.

....did you just respond to yourself, making fun of yourself?

2daclueless wrote:

Fleshman, Gouchers, etc...are all a joke and anything but brave or honorable. If, that's "if", they are telling the truth and care about the integrity of the sport, why didn't they speak up from the very beginning? Now, they all want a piece of the action...to be heard and known for doing so.

It's like observing a robbery or something devious by someone you know, then after the fact, claiming that you witnessed it.

That's not brave for someone who claims to have balls (yes people, she said that because she was on tv and knew that people would talk about it, aka showing off and trying to be cool...NOT!).

Haha. Yes, here we go again. NOP doping deniers manufacturing doubt where there is none.

17 different people, 17 different stories, including doping teenagers, all confirming Nike and Al Sal running a modern doping program.

2/10.

2daclueless wrote:

If, that's "if", they are telling the truth and care about the integrity of the sport, why didn't they speak up from the very beginning?

Actually, Koucher went to the USADA a long time ago. In other new developments, the Thirteen Colonies have roguishly declared their independence from the Crown, and hostilities are anticipated.

But you raise an interesting point. If speaking up loudly and often can be taken as a necessary sign of caring about the integrity of track, how does Salazar's radio silence factor into this calculus?

runDirtyrun wrote:

Haha. Yes, here we go again. NOP doping deniers manufacturing doubt where there is none.

17 different people, 17 different stories, including doping teenagers, all confirming Nike and Al Sal running a modern doping program.

2/10.

They're not running, and the real runners still are.

Strange isn't it huh.

I have a hard time *not* agreeing with the below quotes (edited for brevity). the facts are this:-Lauren was well aware of AS's reputation for "gray zone" work.-LF was told "no" by a medical professional.-LF sought out AS's help with bypassing a single medical opinion (not unreasonable to want a second opinion, but from an MD, not a "gray zone" coach)-LF says she felt unethical (eventually) but never came forward (for many years) and continued to have no problem cashing checks from an entity that supported AS's practices wholeheartedly.-both LF and the gouchers have been very vocal in their condemnation of doping athletes, yet saw little problem seeking out every "legal" (though perhaps unethical) advantage.-both LF and gouchers did not feel strongly enough about doping to speak out publicly about this (yet strongly criticise other dopers) until 5-7yrs later- after their respective nike contracts were long since history.many criticise those who have spoken out, and though much of it smacks of nike intern defense, some of it does ring true about having a "bandwagon" feel to the public comments from certain athletes. where were these athletes BEFORE it was popular to criticise AS? why do they now seem to be vying for the "loudest voice, from the highest rooftop" award for denouncing the NOP? I think the NOP is 100% guilty of several things, but it doesn't help when ppl try to inject themselves into the debate and make themselves feel like part of the story, or call attention to their own (self described) noble intentions. just my .02 for today

EugeneRunner wrote:

I generally like Lauren a lot and feel she gets a lot of unfair criticism on this site......... She had a choice to make and she went through with a plan to show up to the doctor's in a position where she would be likely to receive the medication. This plan was spelled out to her after another doctor had told her no on the meds........ praising Lauren for coming forward but isn't she also guilty here?

a former swoosher pro wrote:

... where were these athletes BEFORE it was popular to criticise AS? why do they now seem to be vying for the "loudest voice, from the highest rooftop" award for denouncing the NOP? I think the NOP is 100% guilty of several things, but it doesn't help when ppl try to inject themselves into the debate and make themselves feel like part of the story, or call attention to their own (self described) noble intentions. just my .02 for today

Good try here. I like how you hedge so you don't sound unreasonable. And the personal attack is veiled.

5/10.

The problem is Al Sal and Nike are still running a modern doping program and there's really no chance Nike or Al Sal will ever be sanctioned, or brought up on any kind of criminal charges.

By "balls" Fleshman must have meant testosterone.

Makes you wonder why these athletes that fly the coop never run well again.

' "I definitely do think that's an ethical violation."'

So Salazar had an ethical violation but she didn't?

Do you people have nothing better to do than get in pissing matches with each other.

Seriously, you must be so bored with your lives to sit her and quote line by line text and then write a moronic rebuttal to each point.

There is something called due process in the United States and until that due process is over can you all just get a life, STFU, and stop cluttering up this board with your stupid comments.

The USATF Nationals are just around the corner. Let's turn our attention to something else for awhile.

LRC employees have come on multiple of the "Oiselle bash" threads in the last year and pointed off that the immature bashing is done by one or two people. You can see the same has happened here, and once he slipped up and replied to himself, in an embarrassing fashion, he had to head back to the home page and start new threads.

Hating Fleshman and/or Goucher for being outspoken is asinine.

So Salazar had an ethical violation but she didn't?

This was a great post.

She went to Stanford right? No common sense or accountability 101 in that curriculum I guess.

Are you kidding me, she had no clue?

This is on her as much as anyone else. And blaming everyone else is a sign of delusion for sure.

Trialswatcher wrote:

And blaming everyone else is a sign of delusion for sure.

ummm, team salazar is doing the vast majority of "blaming" in this game. everyone who is not their side is a jealous liar, and cannot be trusted.

Of course he is

But anyone who does not take their fair share of accountability for their own use of anything? Is just using a convenient line, really.

"Gone" wrote:

"My opinion of Lauren F. plummeted after that interview. She had no problem throwing stones at Jordan H. for not standing up to Salazar and now years later she admits she didn't stand up to him either AND took medication that she knew she shouldn't have a prescription for.

It's okay for her to have fake medication that enhances her ability but not anyone else?

It's also sickening reading the "so brave"

Oiselle comments. There is nothing brave about waiting years to confess wrong doing or accusations. They waited until their paychecks were safe."

Funny it didn't interest you but you took the time for a lengthy rebuttal. I win.

Sounds like you have issues with women.

Laura who? wrote:

Funny it didn't interest you but you took the time for a lengthy rebuttal. I win.

He got you there KMB.