New Allegations- "Salazar had bag of needles"

Look 4 the Label wrote:

So, you get vials without any identification on them except allergy? Your name is not one them? Your doctors name is not them? No experation date? No statement of when to take the med?

xenonscreams wrote:

It sounds to me like they were labeled. One went in one arm and the other went in the other arm.... Pretty standard

Basically, yes.

Actually, the daily "new" evidence makes this more unbelievable, not believable. This is also contradictory to the athletes who are all just pointing at Rupp. If there was a bag of needles it obviously would be for manyor all of NOP, not one. The fact that all the evidence so far is based on supposed memory also begs the question, how much of this would carry any weight in court? To convict, you have to have hard evidence. This is starting to sound like Ferguson, each day a new "witness" came forward. Anyone remember "hands up, don't shoot."? At some point hard evidence must be presented and so far it is all hearsay.

Prescription Drugs wrote:

Man Overboard wrote:

According to the story I read the vials were not 'unmarked'. They had typewritten labels. Allergy serums are typically a concoction of different ingredients, so they're not going to have professionally pre-printed labels listing everything in them the way you see with regular medications.

This is not true. You get special patient specific labels for ALL prescription drugs. A patient name must be on them.

Go read the law: FDA, Drugs, Labeling

http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfCFR/CFRSearch.cfm?CFRPart=201

The updated story is Steve Magness and Jackie Aerson found an unmarked vial in a rental car left behind by Rupp. How is Rupp supposed to know which arm to put it in this time?!

xenonscreams wrote:

Questions.. wrote:

Would a professional doctor be allowed to give you an unmarked vial? If you have a specialized dosage just for you than why are there two different kinds of allergy vials?

Galen Rupp probably has a lot of allergies so they don't all fit in one vial. I get two shots every week. One in my left arm and one in my right arm. This is because I have an absurd number of allergies. Two vials is pretty standard for people with a lot of allergies.

It sounds to me like they were labeled. One went in one arm and the other went in the other arm.... Pretty standard

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llort_vbo wrote:

Look 4 the Label wrote:

So, you get vials without any identification on them except allergy? Your name is not one them? Your doctors name is not them? No experation date? No statement of when to take the med?

Basically, yes.

Then the vials could be used to hide anything. Thanks.

I realized the "false flag" mistake immediately after I posted it but figured nobody would be pedantic enough to write up a mean response about it. lol letsrun you surprise me all the time

If it's not a prescription medication or medication at all, then how the hell you get allergy shots? Over the counter? Hard for me to believe allergy shots are not medications. I guess then people who have severe allergies to nuts/shellfish/bee stings they can buy epinephrine shots at any drug store? Or a herbal/whole foods store?

Here's "Allergy 1":

http://cdn.petcarerx.com/img/PrdImg/408x408/10373_001_xl.jpg

xenonscreams wrote:

lol letsrun you surprise me all the time

no, you are in learning mode. do you actually believe you have all the answers?

taleof3cities wrote:

Had two vials sent to him that had to be packed in dry-ice.

Looks like they chose to put them on dry ice (~-80C) in an effort to keep them cold. Depending on what was in the vials, this could have been quite stupid and dangerous. Most biologicals formulated in liquid are kept at 2-8C, and freezing is not advisable. Check the recommended storage conditions for Epogen, page 25:

So, it's very likely what was in the vial was not a protein (could be something like testosterone though). Or they were just dumb and compromised something that shouldn't have been frozen.

Very nice catch. Why would he need it packed in dry ice if it would ruin the product he needed so bad?

In any case, based on my understanding of allergy shots (which I get every week) I really don't find anything suspicious about how they were handled. My doctor won't let me take them at home, but it's a really common practice to send them home. I guess the "ship them to me" part is kind of weird, but at the same time, they do need to stay cold, and I wouldn't want to have to carry them through at the airport. The whole idea about just being able to call and get more doesn't make sense to me, because it takes forever for the vials to be mixed and they cost a lot of money. If you're getting shots every week you don't want to miss a dose since that defeats the point.

It's more accurate to compare allergy shots to vaccines than to medications. If you consider a flu shot medication then allergy shots are medication. I think vaccines and medications are two separate categories. They are fundamentally different ideas.

xenonscreams wrote:

In any case, based on my understanding of allergy shots (which I get every week) I really don't find anything suspicious about how they were handled.

Except for the fact they were not allergy shot vials. That's why they come from AlSal's special stash.

I think we can all agree if they were labeled in accordance to federal law than Neither the Stiners or Magness would have brought this forward. As pointed out already the law requires a lot of information to be labeled on drugs so that it doesn't get misused and etc for public safety. What doctor would risk their job to make a a legal allergy med for someone and then not label it? Doesn't add up.

I know you guys hate my opinions and think that I can't ever have them because apparently having opinions means that I think I'm right all the time (which isn't true), so if you want me to get my expert opinion from my allergist, M.D., Ph.D., who did his thesis on allergies and asthma in elite athletes, I can send this over to him and get back to you and stop having opinions of my own

This is not about allergies. It is about why Salazar is brewing medications for Rupp and placing who-knows-what into vials that Rupp happily injected, or that Salazar injected into him. Salazar and Rupp share rooms together when they travel. What are they actually doing/taking behind closed doors?

gwalkerruns wrote:

Actually, the daily "new" evidence makes this more unbelievable, not believable. This is also contradictory to the athletes who are all just pointing at Rupp. If there was a bag of needles it obviously would be for manyor all of NOP, not one. The fact that all the evidence so far is based on supposed memory also begs the question, how much of this would carry any weight in court? To convict, you have to have hard evidence. This is starting to sound like Ferguson, each day a new "witness" came forward. Anyone remember "hands up, don't shoot."? At some point hard evidence must be presented and so far it is all hearsay.

To me it suggests a news organization dribbling out crumbs to drag the story out over a long time

They are waiting for Salazar to make an official statement. Then all h*ll will break loose.

The vials Stiner shipped, (so that alsal could avoid sending them through airport security), had to be refrigerated. But the unmarked vial Magness found didn't need to be refrigerated. 2 different things? Lies all around? How do they explain that?