Jager runs massive 3:32 1500m pb! (Heath 3:34)

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8 years ago 06/15/2015 11:47am EDT

re: The Dingo

The Dingo wrote:
Do you also think the whole Schumacher group is doped, or just Jager?
Recent performances from Fernandez, Derrick, Bayer, certainly don't suggest so. Derrick has been solid, but no sub 13 or sub 27. Bayer's 8:26 last night was solid, but nothing too grand. I find it unlikely that only Jager would be doping out of that group.
With AlSal and Rupp, it's obvious Rupp is the golden child. EVERYTHING AlSal does is to make Rupp better, even at the expense of other athletes. I don't think Schumacher has that relationship with Jager.
Not every clean athlete follows the linear progression that is so often cited as evidence of doping. "Oh, he was running 13:10 for 3 years then ran 12:5x, so he must be doping!".

Hasn't there also been some animosity between Schumacher and Salazer? It has always seemed to me these 2 groups/teams don't necessarily like each other. This doesn't mean each individual but just the team as a whole. Maybe it goes back to the Solinsky Rupp days but then with Salazar DQ fiasco last year it just seems like the don't like each other.

Makes me wonder if it is based on the allegations about NOP.

8 years ago 06/15/2015 11:49am EDT

re: Sherry Jumacher

the quote of the day suggest that what jager lacked was belief in himself. this to me is evidence that a lot of times Americans don't compete with the Africans because they don't think it's possible. I see this most with the women not going for it in the 5k.I would like to see more people take risks with aggressive pacing. but it sounds like Evan was only able to take the risk because he deceived himself into thinking that they were running more slowly than they were.

8 years ago 06/15/2015 12:05pm EDT

re: asdfasfsdf

asdfasfsdf wrote:
dsrunner wrote:
Shaheen was a 3:30 guy, just as Jager has been 3:33 capable for a couple of years now.
Clearly he was not, seeing as his PR is 3:33

The only clear thing is that you don't know what you are talking about. Shaheen was faster than 3:33.

8 years ago 06/15/2015 12:06pm EDT

re: tardis23

tardis23 wrote:
I don't think there is anyone out there who wants the drug cheats out more than me, but I just can't understand this rush to defame people every time they run a pr. It seems pretty clear that we have reason to ask that every stone at NOP be turned by people with the authority to investigate, not because of Rupp's times but because of specific testimony about Salazar's practices. Zero--zilch--has ever been made about Jerry Schumacher or anyone while working under him. Even if you believe that every runner who runs under 3:33 (or whatever) is a cheat, beating the drug problem is never going to come by blind skepticism based on performance. We need better testing, complete transparency about the testing, and we need claims of malfeasance such as those alleged against NOP to be investigated. That is what we need. Just throwing out accusations because someone runs a pr is nonsensical to me because it solves nothing. I want solutions. I want people banned for life. I want the same testing procedures applied to every participating nation. I want all the measures put in place to reduce the incentive to cheat. Just accusing people of cheating because they improve--no matter by how much--is not the solution.

8 years ago 06/15/2015 1:38pm EDT

re: joho

joho wrote:
Hasn't there also been some animosity between Schumacher and Salazer? It has always seemed to me these 2 groups/teams don't necessarily like each other. This doesn't mean each individual but just the team as a whole. Maybe it goes back to the Solinsky Rupp days but then with Salazar DQ fiasco last year it just seems like the don't like each other.
Makes me wonder if it is based on the allegations about NOP.

Salazar recruited Schumacher out to Portland, but there was a reason he split off his guys from NOP pretty quickly after arriving and you can be sure that much of that reasoning centers around AS and his views on living in the gray area.

8 years ago 06/15/2015 3:55pm EDT

re: The clearly

The clearly wrote:
The only clear thing is that you don't know what you are talking about. Shaheen was faster than 3:33.

Clearly not. Here's his IAAF.org bio:

http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/qatar/saif-saaeed-shaheen-171720?utm_source=GCSResults&utm_medium=googlecse&utm_campaign=Search%20term:%20%27shaheen%27,%20Page1&utm_content=Slot1#personal-bests

1500m pr: 3:33:51 in Berlin 2006

Now he rarely ran events other than the Steeple since he got more $$ for steeple chasing, so I guess one could hypothesize that he was *capable* of going faster, but facts are facts.

8 years ago 06/15/2015 6:45pm EDT

re: The clearly

The clearly wrote:
asdfasfsdf wrote:
Clearly he was not, seeing as his PR is 3:33
The only clear thing is that you don't know what you are talking about. Shaheen was faster than 3:33.

By definition, if someone never runs faster than 3:33, then they are not faster than 3:33, dipshit.

8 years ago 06/16/2015 7:31am EDT

re: Nice Try Jager

Jager's been on my radar forever.

he was way over due when he had the break through season.

what is a red flag though is running a 332 in a B race and winning.

8 years ago 06/16/2015 12:38pm EDT

re: Heckkkk

Who was number 1 and is number 2?

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