Jager runs massive 3:32 1500m pb! (Heath 3:34)

Jager's surely ready for sub 13 and maybe even sub 8 now, and to go sub 3:33 winning by over a second! The only guys usually doing that are 3:30 or sub guys. Fine run for Heath as well.

Section 1

1 Jager, Evan Nike Bowerman Tr 3:32.97

2 Heath, Garrett Brooks Beast 3:34.13

3 McNamara, Jordan Nike Oregon 3:37.84

4 Hill, Ryan Nike Bowerman Tr 3:38.17

5 Huling, Dan Nike Bowerman Tr 3:38.24

6 Farrell, Tom Nike Oregon 3:39.25

7 Masters, Riley Brooks Beast 3:39.32

8 Riva, Thomas U. of Victoria 3:39.46

9 Hurysz, Jake Unattached 3:41.23

10 Mangan, Steve Baa 3:41.69

11 Atchoo, Michael Strava TC 3:42.07

12 Brannen, Nathan Saucony 3:43.91

13 Avila, Eric Hoka One One 3:56.55

Section 2

1 Winn, Daniel Unattached 3:38.95

2 Alexander, Colby Unattached 3:40.32

Wait, what sub 3:30 guys have run sub 8 in the steeple?

Heckkkk wrote:

With 3:32 speed for Jager I really hope he gets in a 5k this summer. Sub 13:00 and sub 8:00 in the steeple are very realistic.

I see Jäger being a huge 10K guy (in addition to SC obviously). He can run step for step with Derrick- & would outperform him on the world stage. Sub-26:55 in the right race.

Flo'da boy wrote:

Wait, what sub 3:30 guys have run sub 8 in the steeple?

NONE

11 men have gone under 8 in the steeple and the fastest 1500 among them is 3:33.51 by Saef Saaeed Shaheen aka Stephen Cherono the world record holder.

Shaheen was a 3:30 guy, just as Jager has been 3:33 capable for a couple of years now.

dsrunner wrote:

Shaheen was a 3:30 guy, just as Jager has been 3:33 capable for a couple of years now.

Clearly he was not, seeing as his PR is 3:33

Bit of a fade but nonetheless he's a stud.

It seems like jager is always running something other than the steeple and despite that people always think of the steeple as his best event. Weird. Let's see him up or down after the 2017 world champs. He's go 3:30/12:56 I bet.

Jager will have the American Record at 3kSC and 5k by 2017.

calling it now homies wrote:

Jager will have the American Record at 3kSC and 5k by 2017.

No Jager will have the AR in the 3kSC now, because he already has the record

The 5k will be hard, he's a 13:02 right now, but those other 9 seconds are going to be tough, I can see 12:55-12:56, but 12:53 is anything thing, plus he'd have to get into the right race (likely DL Monaco/ DL Paris)

Garett Heath took out this race right on pacers Mark Wiezcorek and Dorian Ulrey who took it through 800 in 1:51!!! Then it was just Heath and Jager who broke away. Jager 3:32, Heath 3:34, Macnamara and Ryan Hill closed hard for 3:37-3:38ish. Props for Jager and Heath for going balls to the wall in this one.

With 3:32 speed for Jager I really hope he gets in a 5k this summer. Sub 13:00 and sub 8:00 in the steeple are very realistic.

IMO I'd say it's clear Jäger is def doped.

Facts:

1. 2012 closed in and Jager's Nike contract was likely coming to end indefinitely. His injuries and lack of 2011-2012 ability left him at precipice of losing sponsorship and prospects and desperation set in. Jäger was a HS hero who dropped out of college to turn pro. He failed like many others who know new running fame early and had his whole life and ego wrapped in it. He was less than an also ran.

2. Then suddenly in 2012 he ran AR 8:06 in 3rd steeple of his life. Surprise! I saved my contract and now I'm Olympian!

3. No coach in their right mind would put a man with severe ankle injury and surgery with ankle pins into steepling.

4. Despite hypocritical Brojos best efforts to support him and deflect, he runs for Shumacher's mega shady Nike group founded in same said practices as Alberto.

5. Steeple IS the PERFECT event for doping since you do not need to increase the ability to run faster paces in the event, you simply need to be able to sustain pace with the fatigue of constant jumping. EPO does this easily. For evidence see Brahim Bouami and Simon Vroeman. Simon was a consistent 8:20s guy. suddenly runs 8:11 out of blue then eventually popped for EPO. If you can hurdle at all you'll dominate. BTW many Kenyans had horrible hurdle form for years and dominated so technique means little. Truth

Brojos be real and tell it like it is.

Do you also think the whole Schumacher group is doped, or just Jager?

Recent performances from Fernandez, Derrick, Bayer, certainly don't suggest so. Derrick has been solid, but no sub 13 or sub 27. Bayer's 8:26 last night was solid, but nothing too grand. I find it unlikely that only Jager would be doping out of that group.

With AlSal and Rupp, it's obvious Rupp is the golden child. EVERYTHING AlSal does is to make Rupp better, even at the expense of other athletes. I don't think Schumacher has that relationship with Jager.

Not every clean athlete follows the linear progression that is so often cited as evidence of doping. "Oh, he was running 13:10 for 3 years then ran 12:5x, so he must be doping!".

YAWN ... another weak NOP deflection attempt: if our top is doing it, them you are too.

So steeplers are more liable to dope? I thought I had heard every tinfoil hat crackpot hypothesis (not even a theory) but that is a new one.

doing what? running sub 3:33 and winning by over a second.

Classic higher the pyramid, Schumacher handles Jager 1-on-1, giving him the private talks all the time. He is isolated from the group. German doesn't get the goods, neither does anyone else. Derrick has slowly been pushed out. The madness doesn't stop.

I don't think there is anyone out there who wants the drug cheats out more than me, but I just can't understand this rush to defame people every time they run a pr. It seems pretty clear that we have reason to ask that every stone at NOP be turned by people with the authority to investigate, not because of Rupp's times but because of specific testimony about Salazar's practices. Zero--zilch--has ever been made about Jerry Schumacher or anyone while working under him. Even if you believe that every runner who runs under 3:33 (or whatever) is a cheat, beating the drug problem is never going to come by blind skepticism based on performance. We need better testing, complete transparency about the testing, and we need claims of malfeasance such as those alleged against NOP to be investigated. That is what we need. Just throwing out accusations because someone runs a pr is nonsensical to me because it solves nothing. I want solutions. I want people banned for life. I want the same testing procedures applied to every participating nation. I want all the measures put in place to reduce the incentive to cheat. Just accusing people of cheating because they improve--no matter by how much--is not the solution.

Fastest 1500m in the world this year as of now. Nice job Evan.