Centro 1:44 800 is a mistake. Wrong direction.

Slow Mo wrote:

Why is this clown allowed to insult and use the 'F' word and still not have his posts removed?

The rudeness and contempt he shows for a top coach, Canova, is despicable and unforgivable.

I'm not a fan of the tone, either, but he does have a lot of data and he's not afraid to provide it. I'll take it anywhere I can.

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

Skuj wrote:

Have you guys heard of Seb Coe?

Coe was a true 800/1500 runner with blazing 400 speed.

Centrowitz is obviously a strength-based 1500 runner (repeat top-10 NCAA XC) with little 400 speed.

The OP is right. He is chasing the Webb trap right now.

No he is not following the Webb trap, Webb was over raced plain and simple when he was a hot commodity , Ray Flynn had him racing way to much, he fried himself plain and simple. He went through several coaches trying to resurrect himself, when you done your done. Centro is surrounded with some good people that will keep him over racing. Cento has speed when he needs it, maybe you haven't seen his medal runs, he has plenty of speed.

Webb had a great 2007. He ran poorly at worlds, but other than that he ran fast and won races.

It happens to great runners, having a poor championship race. Think of Kiplagat, he's only got the one World's silver from 2011, (OK, and a Commonwealth gold from 2010) yet his PR over 1500 is faster than Kiprop's. He's bombed in both Worlds and Olympics since, yet he's clearly a top 3 - 4 in the world guy. I'd say Webb was also top 3 - 4 in the world in '07, I know many will disagree...

Centro, this guy could snag a gold a worlds in the following scenario: The race goes 3:33 or slower, and Centro is ahead of Kiprop entering the final straight. I'm not saying this will happen, but it could. Other than that, I'd pick Centro for another medal.

As for the NOP controversy, I'll stay clear of this over-talked subject until the facts are sorted out. Or, at least until there is some decision on the alleged perps.

I disagree with you and Coach Renato, btw, you can always cherry pick a few athletes to prove a point, but there are far more athletes who disprove your point. People always try to use Lagat and EL'G as examples of athletes who didn't focus on the 800 prior global championship. The fact is they did, but in training, both of these athletes would run an all out 800 prior to big race. Also, you would have to be crazy to think Lagat and EL'G where only 1:46 800m runners; there 800m PRs are from early career and/or early season low level meets. Perhaps there would be some truth to your assertions if global championships where not like 600m races. The first 2 and half laps are barely below a training run pace which does not fatigue anyone and then it is a matter of speed.

dsrunner wrote:

no absolute as Canova suggests

Canova downplays speed to set up big meet success

WORKOUTS ARE NOT RACES

Webb blew up overtraining stamina side then Salazar destroyed him

Lagat was 144 capable minimum

The only way guys can run sub 3:30 without sub 1:45 speed is with drugs. Period. This was a good run for Centro.

Yes, I am saying Lagat was a doper. Big time.

NO ONE is talking about Boris Berian cracking 1:43. Watch out for this guy. Sub 1:43 by the time Rio rolls around.

Canova is a piece of lying shit.

Kiprop would have to be injured or boxed to be displaced by Centro in a championship, but then he and Kiplagat were behind Makh daddy, Manzano, and others in London. As for Kiplagat's 3:27, that was 2014, a year in which he improved by ten seconds! He first ran 3:29 in 2010. It took him four years to better it. Which of those years did his speed training prove superior to Canova's ideas? Canova in 2014 attributed the 3:27 to a change back to one of his ideas:

"This year he started again to run some fast "medium-long run", increasing his aerobic level (also if, under my point of view, is not yet like in 2009)."

Read more:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5920410#ixzz3d4eLkFZe

PERFORMANCE PLACE DATE

2015 3:35.29 Shanghai 17 MAY

2014 3:27.64 Monaco (Stade Louis II) 18 JUL

2013 3:30.13 Rieti 08 SEP

2012 3:29.63 Doha 11 MAY

2011 3:30.47 Monaco (Stade Louis II) 22 JUL

2010 3:29.27 Monaco (Stade Louis II) 22 JUL

2009 3:39.1 Kakamega 18 APR

Even if he ran the wrong direction, it was still the right distance. Am I missing something?

Manzano, also a 1500m guy, was in this race with Centrowitz. So why, OP, aren't you also coming down on him for going in the "wrong direction?"

Furthermore, how does racing an 800 mean that he was training for an 800?

Isn't it possible that he just wanted to do something different for fun?

They want to maintain his strength but give him more 1500 specific workouts to add to his speed endurance. This performance doesnt mean he started running the Duane Solomon training plan and sprints everyday. He just added a missing piece to increase his over all strength (which is what you all believe makes the best 1500 meter runner).

I have never been amazed by the scum that post on this message board until today. You claim to be running gurus yet you can't coach yourself to run as fast as others so you get on here and trash talk them.

When a veteran coach with a proven track record is mentioned your first instinct is to first claim their athletes are dopers and then say their training plans don't work.

If you know better find some former elite highschool miler/college dropout from the last few years and coach him to a silver and a bronze.

You all say you want a bigger and more global sport but who wants to be a part of a fan base that does nothing but slander and accuse their athletes.

A community that is literally criticizing someone for doing well. For bettering themselves.

You're the same people that talk s*** about people you knew in high school for not going to college. But then you turn around and talk s*** about the colleges that people go to. Sorry but not every college that isn't Stanford or Ivy League is a clown college.

Had to rant.

anyone here have any sort of proof as to what centro can run/split in a 400? i would guess whatever it is, would be considered pretty slow for a guy who just ran 1:44. considering that, the dude must be strong.

guydudebro wrote:

anyone here have any sort of proof as to what centro can run/split in a 400? i would guess whatever it is, would be considered pretty slow for a guy who just ran 1:44. considering that, the dude must be strong.

I think he split 50 point on a relay in high school, but at that time his focus was more on the 2 mile. I would guess he could run 48x in the 400, which is actually slow if he was an 800m runner, but for pure miler it isn't bad.

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