Emma Bates - Total Disaster!!

A little late to the party, dude.

[quote]Are you new? wrote:

A little late to the party, dude.[/quote

Listen young man, shut your pie hole

Yes, Emma should have had a better idea of what she had left in the tank. In general, I thought the move came too soon. Molly looked terrific--she had plenty left in the tank. Congratulations to Molly on a fine race!

She was trying to win! Isn't that the point?

Was she wrong to try and push it to take the kick out of Scott? Seems like a solid strategy considering Scott rolled up 4 girls on that last lap.

If she hung on an smashed everyone by 10 seconds there would be a bunch of Emma MF Bates threads talking about it takes balls to go from a mile out and that the strategy was brilliant.

I occasionally lose faith in the LRC community when I see threads like this.

Don't think it was mistimed, just a little too extreme for what she had left in the tank. Maybe she runs that lap a few seconds slower and keeps it going instead of dipping into the red zone.

Good analysis here.

shesstillawesome wrote:

Don't think it was mistimed, just a little too extreme for what she had left in the tank. Maybe she runs that lap a few seconds slower and keeps it going instead of dipping into the red zone.

skinnystiks wrote:

She was trying to win! Isn't that the point?

Was she wrong to try and push it to take the kick out of Scott? Seems like a solid strategy considering Scott rolled up 4 girls on that last lap.

If she hung on an smashed everyone by 10 seconds there would be a bunch of Emma MF Bates threads talking about it takes balls to go from a mile out and that the strategy was brilliant.

I occasionally lose faith in the LRC community when I see threads like this.

She went too hard/too long. A 66 is faster than her 1500m PR pace. It is very hard to run a lap like that and recover. In general the run a fast lap and then try to hold on for 3 more rarely works. The drive from 1600m (Start running 72s and plan on either upping the pace or a long sprint) tends to work better from what I have seen. The big break makes good TV but it is hard to time right (both speed and length of break and figuring out what pace to settle back into).

I agree. It seemed that Bates never recovered from that 66 lap. Her face showed it. Actually, Scott looked to be "on the ropes," too, but she finished with some punch.

skinnystiks wrote:

She was trying to win! Isn't that the point?

Was she wrong to try and push it to take the kick out of Scott? Seems like a solid strategy considering Scott rolled up 4 girls on that last lap.

If she hung on an smashed everyone by 10 seconds there would be a bunch of Emma MF Bates threads talking about it takes balls to go from a mile out and that the strategy was brilliant.

I occasionally lose faith in the LRC community when I see threads like this.

What a dumb argument. She was going 27:30 pace for that lap! Obviously it was going to fail! That's not "go[ing] from a mile out", that's screwing yourself over. It's like if Craig Lutz or somebody had dropped a 57 or something with a mile to go. Just because someone's trying to win the race and take the kick out of someone else doesn't mean any absurd move is justified. Jesus Christ dude, use your head for a second. Were you one of the guys who defended Webb for sprinting all out with 2 laps to go in the 2005 world champs? "Oh but he was just trying to win! If he had held on you guys would have called him amazing!" Well yeah, if pigs could fly...

At least she got her name on LetsRun.

bigtool05 wrote:

Were you one of the guys who defended Webb for sprinting all out with 2 laps to go in the 2005 world champs? "Oh but he was just trying to win! If he had held on you guys would have called him amazing!" Well yeah, if pigs could fly...

Looks to me like she made a common mistake. Had a strategy going into the race and stuck to it no matter what. I haven't seen that work too often. Better to have a sense of the competition and be ready to change depending on how the race goes and how you feel.

2004 triials wrote:

bigtool05 wrote:

Were you one of the guys who defended Webb for sprinting all out with 2 laps to go in the 2005 world champs? "Oh but he was just trying to win! If he had held on you guys would have called him amazing!" Well yeah, if pigs could fly...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyGQGxgVkMg

Webb was what 2-3secs faster than everyone else in that field? If you are clearly the class of the field you can get away with anything. When you end up racing equals, dumb tatics get you beat.

2004 triials wrote:

bigtool05 wrote:

Were you one of the guys who defended Webb for sprinting all out with 2 laps to go in the 2005 world champs? "Oh but he was just trying to win! If he had held on you guys would have called him amazing!" Well yeah, if pigs could fly...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyGQGxgVkMg

You know what race I'm referring to, right? Where he dropped an 11 second 100m with 700 to go then died and got passed by the whole field? Were you under the impression that he did the same thing successfully during the 2004 trials? Because he didn't.

I'm late to the party here too, but when I read the QOD I was shaking my head.

1. What coach tells his runner to run PR 1500m to close out a 10000m? Or was the plan to slow down progressively and hope the field doesn't make up the 40 meters you put on them?

2. Also, show me one example of a successful race where someone "took the kick out of" a speedier runner, without sacrificing their own finish in the process.

I would think that when you are coaching the returning champ, you say "Emma, you're the best in the field. Don't listen to any lap splits, just get in position and win."

I'd say this is NCAA track's version of not running Marshawn Lynch on the final play of the Super Bowl.

Lenny Leonard wrote:

2. Also, show me one example of a successful race where someone "took the kick out of" a speedier runner, without sacrificing their own finish in the process.

2004 Olympic 1500. El G drives from 800 out to beat Lagat.

You'd speculate Lagat was notably speedier than El G in 2004?

Also, I guess I should have specified 10000m races.

To take it another step further, do you feel the method to beat Farah is to to run a 55 second lap with a mile to go and hope that he does not catch you?

Lenny Leonard wrote:

You'd speculate Lagat was notably speedier than El G in 2004?

Also, I guess I should have specified 10000m races.

To take it another step further, do you feel the method to beat Farah is to to run a 55 second lap with a mile to go and hope that he does not catch you?

yes!

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This thread is useless without video. Is there a replay for this?