LetsRun sleuths do it again! Abdalaati Iguider's 3.32.88 2015 World Leading 1500m was run from the wrong start line!

On the bright side, Iguider is now the fastest man ever in the 1493.

Okay so I guessing from this point on all the idiots that couldn't follow the clearest of explanations from Deano will now apologize to him.

Because it was about as blatantly freaking clear an explanation to follow and witness as possible

But of course, not likely at all is it. Muppets

The one bit which confuses me is the lane 6 relay positions. They clearly start just before the relay "in" (the standard symbol is a yellow line with a small flick, pointing in the direction of the track for the start of the box, and in the reverse of the track for the end of the box).

I can't quite see how that fits in with any of the drawings.

The Rabat track has an outside water jump.

See the 1500m race from this year here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_B0LnYHRwE

Looks like the 2K steeple line is a metre past the 1500m line, if that.

Side note ... even though that was the "A" race, the B race ended up faster and definitely had the stronger field (Kiplagat, Kwemoi, Cheruiyot, Cheboi) yet somehow Iguider, the supposed world-leader from a week earlier in Marseille, was put in the slow heat.

It's official ... world lists have been updated, with Marseille thrown out.Plus there is this article in the french press: http://www.laprovence.com/article/sports/3465396/athletisme-les-demi-fondeurs-nont-pas-couru-1500-m.htmlFrom Google Translate:

Looks like the skeptics were right after all, and the skeptics of the skeptics (such as myself) were wrong.

Vhfhgghhggh wrote:

Now we can also all agree that the women 1500m world record also started on the wrong line. The first 300m in the women world record was just as wonky...

...but how do I now explain the 3000m and 10000m (including the last 5000m of the 10000m)?

I wonder if there is any reputable news source who aggrandizes their own content as much as LetsRun. There is a "look at how smart / right / great we are" on the home page at least once a week. Could you just report that the incident occurred and that the IAAF should look into it? That would be impressive.

Sorry I'm late to the discussion.

The track has an outside water jump and they started at the 2000m SC start which is approximately 7-8 meters short of the 1500m starting line

fyi - for Malmo.

The IAAF has a very narrow range for the exact placement of the barriers for the steeplechase when it comes to an IAAF Certified track. This will be reflected in the next version of the Facilities Manual

Salvator; when Deano and myself first decided to look into this we did not do it for the praise. Sure we spent a lot of time and effort in finding the truth.

BUT THE TRUTH WAS ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE REWARD.

So we don't need thanks, Deano and myself aren't like that.

Good work all in getting Iguider's 3:32.88 removed from the 2015 world list.

...

He ran 3:31.51 today in Paris.

(and has a 3:29.83 PR anyway)

But it does make you question other 1500m results from the past.

Especially before people could chime in on the internet.

Star wrote:

But it does make you question other 1500m results from the past.

Especially before people could chime in on the internet.

800 too (coeugh coeugh)

Both Coe's world records have videos readily available on the internet for anyone to see. You can see they both started on the proper staggered lines for the 800m start. Both videos can be timed to get the correct times.

You really think someone who runs a 1:42.3 off a 50.6 first 400 followed by a 24.8 200m stretch to 600m at age 22, isn't capable of 1:41.7 2 years later with improved speed and mile times?

There is nothing to question about either run. A fairly inane post by you, which is the sort of comment I'd expect from Ventolin, who no doubt will chime in with normal nonsense about track being short, faulty timing etc.

funny that neither had live running clock on anglocentric-tv

laughable

oslo, a track specifically built for middle/distance with ~ 105m curves / 95m straights, probably worth 0.2s advantage over standard 116/84 for 800

firenze !

laughable track/meet

a meet not even hardened track fans had heard of before '81

any elite who turned up & ran hard there was virtually guaranteed a big sb for rest of year or even career pb

complete mickey-mouse set-up

laughable

only correct account is from a running clock on screen

clueless

it guarantees nothing

cruz ran 1'41.7 after criminal number of hard races past few days at just 21y & never ran better than 1'42-mid after

experienced observers in '79 never thought coe woud ever come close to that 1'42.3 & he didn't apart from on a mickey-mouse track

nonsense

oslo, an abnormally configured track with no running clock

firenze, an unknown, completely mickey-mouse set-up from track to timing :

probably only a 398m track

clueless

you have no clue about the scene back in '79 or '81

how old were you back in '79 ???