just in - Farah interview, will leave Salazar if allegations proven true

asdfadsfasdf wrote:

Ah yes, the conveniently-vague "proof" request. Was there any "proof" Lance doped? No, it was all "rumors" and "hearsay."

Yes. The important thing is that the prosecution has no burden of proof to establish guilt.

Idiot.

Ridley, I know you have posted here before, but man you have to relax. I mean let the wind catch your face. Gently glide over the water. Let your feelings go.

There see, Now try keeping up with the rest of us.

"The rest of us"???

I personally think Ridley is right on the money. People keep comparing this to Lance

"The rest of us"???

I personally think Ridley is right on the money.

People keep comparing this to Lance, but the testimony against him was about a comprehensive doping regimen, not a few shifty odd goings on.

These allegations certainly make Salazar seem shady, but they do not constitute indisputable evidence. Saying something with absolute certainty doesn't make it true. I think this stuff absolutely merits a thorough investigation. Until it has been completed, it would be polite to refrain from insulting those of us who want to see this vetted out before making any blanket statements.

Khgycfhkutgg wrote:

Mo's a proven liar wrote:

THIS

Double This

Track is like wrestling. Asking if it's doped up is like asking if wrestling is real.

And even though they know it's doped up, fans still cheer for the faces. That's the proven formula for dealing with doping allegations or convictions - turn on the charm, and people suspend their disbelief and enjoy the show. Look how it's going with Gatlin. Give funny interviews, show personality, and the fans join in the kayfabe.

Mo money, Mo problems

This is a tough situation for Mo Farah. On the one hand, the Panorama program was made and aired by the BBC. On the other hand, he knows that the BBC is the only relevant broadcaster of athletics in his home country (and market), and the athletics commentators, including Steve Cram and Paula Radcliffe (who both have close personal and professional links to Salazar as well) are some of his biggest fans. I think the way he handled the press conference, and how he complained to the journalists while at the same time being almost deferential, showed this dilemma.

Baconn wrote:

It's incredibly hard to tell if someone is being sincere, and I think Mo is pretty convincing in that interview clip. I've always seen his career as one of progression and think that he's successful just because he's been so consistent over a long period of time, and he had a breakthrough in training just a little bit later than most people. I really hope Mo himself hasn't doped.

+1 Mo had his big breakout right when I was really getting into running. He has been somewhat of a hero for me and brought the sport of track and field into the limelight for Europe just as Galen did for America. We all knew Galen was dirty. The main thing that I think Mo has going for him that makes me think he hasn't doped, at least in the "NOP Pharmacy" is that he spends so much time away from the rest of the group. He always seemed to do his own thing, but use NOP as a resource. I don't know though, I hate to see him go down, and it will break me if he ends up being a doper.

Are we actually going to sit here and wonder IF Mo doped? Of course he dopes, this is all about PR and how the drama unfolds when s**t hits the fan. Don't worry, in time you'll see his meltdown too. It's just shocking to me that people don't think these top guys dope. I'm still a fan of the sport no matter what but I'm not an idiot. If you don't think Mo dopes I have some widgets to sell you.

JustWOW has some widgets to sell you

nullset wrote:

He started his breakthrough (sub-13:00) before joining NOP. If this was from doping, it may have steered him to the high-tech center of the running universe, realizing it is not prudent to dope nowadays without the protective envelope that Nike can provide.

Farah is the DOPE, then trying to blame NOP.

A perhaps unspoken tenet of human psychology is that people who repeat a lie often enough, even in their own heads, at some level come to believe the lie to be truth, at least during the duration of the telling.

One of my friends from high school expected to place in the top five at the cross-country state meet, and instead he fell on his face and was outside the top 30. He was seriously bitter about it. I saw him a couple years later at a college party, where he was hammered and telling people he had finished sixth in the N.H. Meet of Champions as a senior.

He doesn't run anymore, but even into his thirties his was comfortable giving the same account to people we'd meet at road races. He was always a bit of an odd character, but not literally mentally ill in any way. If I had pinned him down and said, "Rick, you know you didn't place in the top 10 that day, and if I dig up the results on microfiche at the library, we'll see it in black and white." But I didn't consider this remotely worth the hassle.

Anyway, the point is that anyone who has come to embrace his own lie as a means of assuaging some sort of cognitive dissonance will come off as very convincing, and in many cases would probably pass a polygraph test.

Lance was obviously lying from the start; watch how he looks down and away at the start of every response. Telltale sign of lying.

Wait till there is a press conference/interview with Salazar and/or Rupp, and they start denying the allegations. I bet we will see lots of similarities to Lance's interviews.

If the allegations are proven true, Farah won't have a choice in leaving Salazar.

Salazar would be suspended.

And maybe Farah too.

i havent seen the interview yet but clearly, he has talked to the lawyers of what to say and not to say.

note that he and rupp gave the exact response to the accusations about alsauces and drug use.

i think what moe is saying is:

you got nothing on us, come and catch us if you can, but you got nothing!

to "hang" out alsauce is his only chance to appear innocent and that the group is clean altogether.

its all psychology in the end. and again, he had detailed and strict orders from lawyers of what to tell and not to tell.

somebody said that lance looked down in interviews and that is what liers do (look down). well doesnt moe also look down in this interview??

just saying u know.

another thing; moe slams the media and accuses it of killing him and giving bad rep etc. i mean, hello!!

what came up in the program was not "silly" yawnings like some american runner posted on his/her twitter.

and bbc, i reckon they are a bit more serious than "the sun" etc.

Hate to break it to you wrote:

These allegations certainly make Salazar seem shady, but they do not constitute indisputable evidence. Saying something with absolute certainty doesn't make it true. I think this stuff absolutely merits a thorough investigation. Until it has been completed, it would be polite to refrain from insulting those of us who want to see this vetted out before making any blanket statements.

Here we go again with demands for evidence. What's not often noticed is now the person demanding evidence now has ultimate authority to determine what is and isn't evidence. And then there's the shifting definition of evidence.

So, evidence is there in the BBC segment. Done.

Who is going to do what investigation? Nike customer USATF? The incorruptible Diack at IAAF? I'm playing prognosticator: "Federation reports: Nothing to see here. WADA somehow to blame blah blah blah. Move along. "

Piano_Man87 wrote:

Seems pretty convincing, but then again, so was Lance.

I'm just back from Employee 1.1's wedding. He way overachieved.

But anyway. Since I"ve been at the wedding, I"ll say that I haven't watched any of the video.

That being said, I remember asking David Epstein about his investigations into Lance (and Arod). I asked him what was the most surprising thing about it. He said it was that people could look you in the eye and just flat out lie. Totally believable at the time.

As a kid, you think people aren't capabale of it, but they are.

Doesn't mean anything about Mo but just saying.

Xyzabc wrote:

These rumours have been going around for years and now that it comes out in the main stream press, Mo Farah decides he wants answers.

Most of the British press, have been well aware of the rumours floating around about this but have chosen to use Mo as their poster boy for British Athletics instead of raising questions about his dominance.

Why did Farah and the British press not want answers before? Lots of questions were raised on this board when Farah decided to join the Oregon project, why was he and British Athletics not concerned then?

Seems like a well thought out response to me... It's not like they didn't have time to work it out.

You're right 100%, no good Farah saying "It's not right or fair. I haven't done anything but my name is getting dragged through the mud.".

Long before he decided to join Salazar and NOP he and everyone else in T&F had heard about Salazar's 'methods' and the potential to pick up some mud along the way if you became associated with him. Bit late to cry "not right or fair" now, you've made your bed and you're going to have to lie in it (no pun intended) whether you're innocent or not.

These allegations were out there weeks ago. As David Epstein said in his Q&A co competitor, these guys were given weeks to respond. We didn't see him saying, "I want answers" before Pre. No, he waited until the press decided this was a big story. to fake outrage.

Remember, the Nike Lance MO used to be deny, deny, deny and shoot the messenger.

One can't really do that when the messenger is two Olympians and a reporter with the reputation of an Epstein. So Salazar says, "Make me your sacrificial lamb" - the morons will believe it.

Everyone who says this is risky by Mo is absurd. What's salaar going to do? Rat him out? of course not. Salazar probabaly came up with the plan himself.