Some people are born retarded. Others grow into it.
Don't confuse your opinion with science, biology, physiology, psychology, 21st century, etc.
Some people are born retarded. Others grow into it.
Don't confuse your opinion with science, biology, physiology, psychology, 21st century, etc.
TransMan wrote:
Some people are born retarded. Others grow into it.
Don't confuse your opinion with science, biology, physiology, psychology, 21st century, etc.
How do you know that he goes by names like "retarded" that you just called him? Why would you call someone by a name they don't want to be called, and also why do you use "retarded" people as a tool for insult? Thats insensitive to retarded people.
Apologize for calling him names(that he clearly doesn't self identify with.)
Apologize to people with mental retardation also. Some people here may have a relative whos retarded.
You bigot.
Seriously Rojo wrote:
Rojo: You should go out, find a stranger, and see if you can muster the courage to say "I'm a woman" or even "I'm gay." Bet you can't do that, let alone do it in front of the entire world.
Sorry for not responding but I've been traveling to employee 1.1s wedding.
I'm not saying it's easy or that I'd do it but come on Bruce has every advantage in the world. He's a world famous multimillionaire . if espn is going to honor someone for courage for this type of action why don't they find a middle schooler who lives in a conservative religious household that comes out as transgender or gay, that's much more courageous. That would take real guts.
Doing it in that type of environment with no monetary payout.
Your use of the word "wigger" in your argument speaks volumes about your (lack of) intelligence.
No respectable grown man talks like that. So either you are 14 or just dumb. Or both.
I agree that Caitlyn Jenner is more privileged than other trans individuals, but when you refuse to use her correct name or preferred pronouns you're proving she does not have "every advantage in the world".
As others have pointed out, I've never said what he did wasn't difficult or courageous - i'm just outraged that ESPN is honoring as the best example of courage in the entire country.I don't see how peopel who support my view are guilty of intolerance. I don't see this thread as an example of intolerance. The only intolerance is coming yet again from the PC left who won't allow any opinions different than their own.
Advice Columnist 2 wrote:
Attention PC Police: Stating that a transsexual does not deserve an award DOES NOT EQUATE to intolerance.
THank you. Jenner can do whatever he wants. At a local storye, whenever I see this one man (no surgery so i'm not sure if i'm supposed to call him a she) dressed in women's clothing at a local store, I always have sympathy for her/he and treat her/he very nicely.
Support ESPN wrote:
OMG the trust fund baby with a conservative opinion. What a shocker there?
But I hardly need ESPN to tell me what real courage is. and I don't need a privileged trust fund baby to tell me what courage is either.
Again, read my first post. I never said it wasn't courageous. It's jut not courageous enough to be given a national award.
Can someone please tell me where I get the details of this trust fund? I'd love to get the monthly check.
gatorade&vodka wrote:
I agree that Caitlyn Jenner is more privileged than other trans individuals, but when you refuse to use her correct name or preferred pronouns you're proving she does not have "every advantage in the world".
No one has the right to demand other people call them anything particular. I'm not so sure you understand that. You now have been educated.
I think inviting someone knowledgeable of transgender issues to enlighten us is the way to go. Pretty simple, straightforward questions to have-- I frequently have them myself.
Just curious: were you guys opposed to Michael Sam getting the same award? One thing is a dude being gay/trans and a sports figure--extremely hard thing to do in our sports culture-- another is ESPN trying to look like Mother Theresa. Important distinction to make. This is the same company that just fired Bill Simmons for basically speaking his mind.
If you do talk to Joanna Harper, ask her if she thinks Bruce deserves the award and what she thinks about ESPN.
Djdjdjdkfkffkfj wrote:
Your use of the word "wigger" in your argument speaks volumes about your (lack of) intelligence.
No respectable grown man talks like that. So either you are 14 or just dumb. Or both.
The wigger example is extremely fair.
If male/female is a scientific classification of sex, and gender is a feeling/personal identification, then in terms of the race topic, race would be a scientific category (mongoloid, caucasoid, congoid, australoid), and black/white/asian/latino/eskimo/native american, etc etc would be one 's ethnic/cultural identity.
So a "wigger" would be a caucasion in race, who identifies with black culture, and could say he's black. Just as you want to claim one with male sex can identify as a "Man"(gender)
That is, if you believe than Man and Male are no longer identical concepts. Then caucasoid and white are no longer identical. Congoid and black are no longer either.
Espn ruined sports.
Why would anyone be outraged by anything they did?
Enjoy EVERY SINGLE GAME of the nba finals going into overtime so the networks can make even more money.
xenonscreams wrote:
[quote]wejo wrote:
Maybe we'll do a Q&A with Joanna Harper.
Way more sane take on all of this. Thanks for giving me some faith in this site. I'd love to see that Q&A.
Wejo said he'd contact me next week.
Tgirl wrote:
xenonscreams wrote:[quote]wejo wrote:
Maybe we'll do a Q&A with Joanna Harper.
Way more sane take on all of this. Thanks for giving me some faith in this site. I'd love to see that Q&A.
Wejo said he'd contact me next week.
Great, another animal loose from the zoo.
Tgirl wrote:
xenonscreams wrote:[quote]wejo wrote:
Maybe we'll do a Q&A with Joanna Harper.
Way more sane take on all of this. Thanks for giving me some faith in this site. I'd love to see that Q&A.
Wejo said he'd contact me next week.
Q: Will you let me go, please?!
A: Put the fvcking lotion in the basket!
educating wrote:
gatorade&vodka wrote:I agree that Caitlyn Jenner is more privileged than other trans individuals, but when you refuse to use her correct name or preferred pronouns you're proving she does not have "every advantage in the world".
No one has the right to demand other people call them anything particular. I'm not so sure you understand that. You now have been educated.
No one is demanding. It's your choice whether or not to be an azzhole.
lytesout wrote:
I think Rojo should win the Arthur Ashes courage award for publicly voicing his disapproval of this. It takes a lot to stand up against all the hate people have for others with different opinions.
^This^
Diarrhea coming out of Jenner's dick.
Rojo,
Give me a break. Just say what you want to say here. It's hugely embarrassing to watch you pretend that you're just defending the dignity of some ESPN award. It's not that you have a problem with transgender people, it's
"i'm just outraged that ESPN is honoring as the best example of courage in the entire country."
That is a middle-school level of excuse, and it's embarrassing because you know that's not the issue, everyone reading it knows that's not the issue, but you're expecting us all to play along.
"The only intolerance is coming yet again from the PC left who won't allow any opinions different than their own."
So the "PC left" is intolerant of your view that this award isn't accurately reflecting the 'best example of courage in the entire country'? Does that make any sense? It's pretty clear that you're hiding your disapproval of transgender individuals behind the facade of defending the sullied honor of an ESPN award.
Further, it's annoying to watch adults be deliberately obtuse. This is an awards show run by ESPN, it's not supposed to literally honor the best example of courage in the entire country. Of course, you already know that.
Your posts are seething with such transparent, disingenuous nonsense. Your attempt at the "I have black friends" defense shows that you're completely full of it: "(no surgery so i'm not sure if i'm supposed to call him a she)"
So the standard of whether or not an individual should be called "he or she" to you is basically if they've had surgery on their genitals? Is that your personal standard, or did you learn it somewhere? By the way Jenner clearly wants to be referred to as "she," and since you keep referring to her as "he," I guess you pretty strictly adhere to your bizarre and ignorant genital-surgery based views.
Which sort of don't make sense in the context of the larger 'a man is a man and a woman is a woman.' If you don't believe transgender people actually change genders, why would their genitals concern you so much in deciding what to call them?
I understand that the world has moved very quickly, and right-wing people are so used to their ridiculous hypocritical moral code guiding the country that it hurts to see these things change so rapidly. You're well within your rights to chase windmills and go after the liberals who are preventing free and honest discussion in this country.
But don't try to have your cake and eat it too. You don't respect transgender people, and your posts have made that extremely clear. You don't get to determine how other people view you and your bigotry. Liberals aren't making you ignorant. You are not outraged that ESPN isn't giving the award to the most courageous person in the country.
You are a coward, willing to hint at what you mean, but not willing to just come out and say that. Always keeping a form of plausible deniability, even though every singe reader can see right through it. What's the point?
Proliferation of Nuclear weapons.
Economic instability and growing inequality.
Radical movements/terrorism.
Climate change.
Drought, hunger, poverty, slave and human trafficking.
Caitlyn Jenner.
As always, finger on the pulse.
I want Schiefer back.
Patrick R wrote:
If you do talk to Joanna Harper, ask her if she thinks Bruce deserves the award.
I think I already answered this but let me expand on my previous post
There is a lot of subjectivity in any of these sort of awards, and ESPN is free to give the award to anyone they feel is deserving, but Caitlyn would not have been my first choice.
Let's assume that ESPN wanted to follow-up last year's choice of Michael Sam by giving this year's award to a trans woman athlete. I think that Fallon Fox shows incredible courage to get into the cage surrounded by a wild pack of haters lusting for her blood. Fox also represents the sort of hardships that trans people endure far better Caitlyn Jenner does. So if ESPN had asked me to choose a trans athlete I would have chosen Fallon.
The fact that you counter my argument with an ad hominem attack demonstrates pretty clearly that your argument is backed by emotion rather than logic.
And, out of curiosity, what is your accepted P.C. term for "wigger"?