He was quicker than I thought.
RM wrote:
Here's the Ken Goe follow up:
http://www.oregonlive.com/trackandfield/index.ssf/2015/06/some_quick_takes_on_the_bbc_al.html
He was quicker than I thought.
RM wrote:
Here's the Ken Goe follow up:
http://www.oregonlive.com/trackandfield/index.ssf/2015/06/some_quick_takes_on_the_bbc_al.html
I completely agree with this being nothing new, other than perhaps a "major international news source" publicly addressing the issues with notable names to back them up. I think the Farah exclusion can sway both ways. It can look like extremely biased journalism, or as another poster suggested, it can be telling that no one implicated him.
What makes me laugh is how these pieces all taut Magness as Salazar's "number 2," but then they have to use phrases like "he believes that" or "he is convinced..." As the NOP #2 man, shouldn't he freakin' know something? I like the drama of this release, but to me I read it still as speculation and a lot of circumstantial evidence that, if looked at rationally, should not sway anyone from one side to the other. It's pretty exciting to see if anything will come of it.
Ken Goe is in a quandary. He has to report what is going on while keeping his Nike hat from falling off. He would do well to interview athletes and family members after the apocalypse.
My guess is that there are different levels of gray-zone usage at NOP. Some athletes not taking anything. Some trusting the coaches to do the right thing, and finding out it was not right. And some athletes no questioning anything they were asked to do or take: like Farah's claim: "At the end of the day the coach is the boss. And I ask no questions."
adsgdsfdsf wrote:
Maybe my level of cynicism is totally inappropriate? .
correct
since there hasn't been a positive drug test of an A list american distance runner in around 12 years, believing that everyone is on something is an extremely high level of cynicism.
cyclisme wrote:
....... wrote:I didn't think there was much I would agree with AlSal about but there it is. Tyler Hamilton is a POS. The only thing worse than a cheater is cheater who thinks saying someone else did it too makes them better. Tyler is on the very short list of pro athletes with even less integrity than Lance.
...how is he worse than Lance? Everything you just mentioned about him could be said equally for Lance, if not moreso.
Lance has not named names in an attempt to make himself look/feel better. But you make a good point that has made veiled generic statements to the effect that he had no choice because everyone else was doing it. So I still say Tyler is worse but Lance is probably a few notches worse than I gave him credit for earlier.
God damnit I hate Galen Rupp.
hjk wrote:
Centro's reaction
https://twitter.com/MattCentrowitz/status/606178216047288320
Centro pulled a Bruce Jenner. Wow, that is real news.
ladedah wrote:
William Windsor wrote:Extremely important to recognise that Mo Farah is not accused of anything at all.
Yeah, I laughed at that when I read the BBC article. Of course the British newspaper is going to defend the British athlete.
What are you talking about? They just did a huge story accusing Allen Wells of cheating. The British press is notorious for eating their own athletes alive.
FarleyS wrote:
ladedah wrote:Yeah, I laughed at that when I read the BBC article. Of course the British newspaper is going to defend the British athlete.
What are you talking about? They just did a huge story accusing Allen Wells of cheating. The British press is notorious for eating their own athletes alive.
No, they ain't. Why aren't Radcliffe and Farah in prison right now if the brits are so harsh on their own?
....... wrote:
cyclisme wrote:...how is he worse than Lance? Everything you just mentioned about him could be said equally for Lance, if not moreso.
Lance has not named names in an attempt to make himself look/feel better. But you make a good point that has made veiled generic statements to the effect that he had no choice because everyone else was doing it. So I still say Tyler is worse but Lance is probably a few notches worse than I gave him credit for earlier.
To each his own. In my world, destroying the lives of people who call you out for doping is worse than profiting of outing other dopers.
And I don't like either of them.
Salazar was born about 40 years too late. He would have blood doped the sh!t out of his athletes when it was not banned.
Fine Gray Line wrote:
My guess is that there are different levels of gray-zone usage at NOP. Some athletes not taking anything. Some trusting the coaches to do the right thing, and finding out it was not right. And some athletes no questioning anything they were asked to do or take: like Farah's claim: "At the end of the day the coach is the boss. And I ask no questions."
I think this has a lot of credence. And I know most people would say I am naive or just downright stupid to assume this, but I think there ARE many athletes that don't necessarily know the black and white. So they do what the coach says and some of them think "this might be wrong" and leave or battle within themselves, and some don't think at all because it's easier to get faster without asking questions.
This is my favorite hyperbolic moment:
"but various testosterone medications comprise perhaps the greatest scourge in all of sports doping"
When I look at records in distance events, I do not look to testosterone as the one drug that altered the record book above 800 meters. I would term EPO as the greatest scourge in the events Alberto coached over his career.
I was fully prepared for the gray area stuff and the seemingly paranoid responses to the Dieter Baumann/Gatlin/Gay denials, but I wasn't expecting the testosterone accusations especially in HS. I would have thought that if the line was going to be crossed it would have been with EPO.
I don't think it's hyperbole. Testosterone likely is the reason for the majority of doping violations in sport, isn't it? You're correct that EPO probably was/is more widely used among distance runners but he made clear that's not the range of events he was discussing in this quotation.
yoyomama wrote:
This is my favorite hyperbolic moment:
"but various testosterone medications comprise perhaps the greatest scourge in all of sports doping"
When I look at records in distance events, I do not look to testosterone as the one drug that altered the record book above 800 meters. I would term EPO as the greatest scourge in the events Alberto coached over his career.
So where can I watch the documentary?
yoyomama wrote:
This is my favorite hyperbolic moment:
"but various testosterone medications comprise perhaps the greatest scourge in all of sports doping"
When I look at records in distance events, I do not look to testosterone as the one drug that altered the record book above 800 meters. I would term EPO as the greatest scourge in the events Alberto coached over his career.
I was fully prepared for the gray area stuff and the seemingly paranoid responses to the Dieter Baumann/Gatlin/Gay denials, but I wasn't expecting the testosterone accusations especially in HS. I would have thought that if the line was going to be crossed it would have been with EPO.
Of course every NOPer is on EPO. They use every PED known and unknown. Anybody who doesn't realize that is incredibly naive.
george oscar bluth wrote:
He was quicker than I thought.
RM wrote:Here's the Ken Goe follow up:
http://www.oregonlive.com/trackandfield/index.ssf/2015/06/some_quick_takes_on_the_bbc_al.html
Cracks me up that Goe illustrated the article with a picture of Rupp with the heaviest stubble I've ever seen on his face.
This is a whole lot of nothing
It just seems like bitter ex-NOP athletes and coaches taking shots at AL SAL. Not that I believe that everything is perfect, but so many athletes are being caught... and this is the best proof that they have?
....... wrote:
Lance has not named names in an attempt to make himself look/feel better. But you make a good point that has made veiled generic statements to the effect that he had no choice because everyone else was doing it. So I still say Tyler is worse but Lance is probably a few notches worse than I gave him credit for earlier.
Lol. So if an owner & CEO of a company was doing something illegal that involved his underlings, that CEO would benefit after getting caught by saying, "But all my middle-managers were also doing it!" Seriously, lol.
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