David Epstein/Pro Publica/BBC Story: Former Team Members Accuse Famed Coach Alberto Salazar of Breaking Drug Rules

Flat Stanley wrote:

They will continue to get away with it.

No, they will not continue to get away with it. NOP obtained prescriptions will be looked at very hard. Doctor's will be questioned and brought to the carpet. They will squeal.

The spirit of sport has been violated, and the health of athletes was put at risk. That is all that is necessary under WADA rules to ban someone. Salazar would get a life-time ban. Rupp likely a two-year ban, and try to compete afterwards. Farah will likely get banned and retire. The NOP program will be reinvented by Nike, and contracted athletes who are not banned will move over to be coached by someone else.

Top Noticer wrote:

Face it, if you want to be a fan of a world class athlete, you're going to be a fan of someone who is either doping, or is bending the rules to a fault.

Most Kenyans do not dope though. For real. I was hoping there was good competitive internationals in America/UK. If Kenyans dominate, the sport dies. The American market is huge and it was fun seeing some of their best on the podiums while it lasted. Sad day for the sport.

agip wrote:

That's what is going to happen here - Tygart or someone Tygartlike will make this a personal mission, and they will find something. Or Phil Knight will be the hammer here.

Tygart will want blood. NOP, Salazar, and a couple of top athlete's heads need to roll. Nike will be left out of it. Phil Knight will do whatever is necessary to keep the Nike ship afloat, and their support of track and field moving forward. Nike survived Lance Armstrong. They will survive Salazar and the NOP.

Ben True, the sport needs you!

I generally let everyone start off with a clean slate when I meet them, but outing yourself as a Rupp fan ("always[!]") just made your stock plummet in my eyes.

Hopefully they go after hermens doping network next

Take down some of the goat epopians

WADA statement on BBC Panorama documentary:

We have carefully viewed the BBC Panorama One’s programme which includes some allegations suggesting doping in athletics.

Among these, the programme alleges practices relating to coach Alberto Salazar of the Nike Oregon Project in the United States. Any investigation will be a matter for the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) and the IAAF, and the relevant information shall be passed to them.

We acknowledge that the programme also raises questions regarding the ability of athletes to dope by taking minimal amounts of performance enhancing substances without testing positive, otherwise known as ‘micro-dosing’. It is an issue that we are exploring in great detail with experts from across the anti-doping community, and indeed it was highlighted in the recent Cycling Independent Reform Commission (CIRC) Report.

Due to short detection periods for EPO and certain other banned substances, we now know that tests need to be carried out before competition and in certain circumstances overnight (from 11:00pm – 06:00am) as is set out in WADA’s revised International Standard for Testing.

While the programme suggests that the journalist, through his experiment, was able to enhance his performance without recording an adverse analytical finding (AAF), we haven’t been provided any information that would validate this allegation nor is there anything in the programme which would indicate that his profile would have “beaten” the ABP programme.

I hope Webb isn't in that book. I (want to) believe he was clean. If he was dirty, and I really believe he wasn't, then I'm done with running.

So.. Are people just now realizing that Galen Rupp has serious asthma and is taking the same medicine anyone I know takes for it? That stuff can stunt growth, kill your hormone levels.. I just gained a little more respect for Galen.

On the other hand, it's a crazy coincidence that I was discussing how vile Kara acted towards Salazar the last time I saw them interacting. She has a grudge to say the least. Not phased even slightly by anything I read.

I vouch for how hard these guys, specifically Galen, put their bodies on the line. As a pacer over the last 3 years and a coach, I would vouch that Salazar did nothing more than protect his athletes basic health.

row row rowbury your boat wrote:

I don't know if that is sarcasm, but I absolutely 100% agree with you. And I have apologized for it a million times on this board. I know I sound like a retard with no clue, but I can't help it. Go back to that "Elite athletes you dislike for no reason" thread from a few months ago. I try so hard to love her, but I cannot.

No one cares. Holy hell, you of all people waste so much time spouting out your nonsensical, irrelevant, arbitrary opinions.

so how many people do you know that take year long doses of prednisone versus advair 250 or 500??? Galen "chipmunk cheeks" rupp more like galen "prednisone cheeks" rupp.

Anyone got a link to watch in the US?

Curious Cat wrote:

Who's the athlete in the video clip with the blurred out face and the actor's voice. Clearly not Adam Goucher, he shows his face in the other clip. Is it Cam Levins? Dathan Ritzenhein? Alan Webb? Who do you guys think? Let's not forget, Mo and Galen were/are clearly doping, but what about Centrowitz?

No, not Centro.

Centro is THE MAN.

Let's not do this wrote:

agip wrote:

it's looking like Cain left the NOP when salazar tried to get her to use drugs to lose weight and she or her parents freaked out.

Oh good, let's start some ridiculously wild rumors.

If you want to know the truth of the matter, stick with the facts please, rather than jump from A to Z with no B, C, D, E, etc...

No, we don't have the facts from Cain, but hopefully no one would be naive enough to think that the announcement of MC's "break" from the NOP & today's scathing news is purely coincidence.

wicked wrote:

I generally let everyone start off with a clean slate when I meet them, but outing yourself as a Rupp fan ("always[!]") just made your stock plummet in my eyes.

Ha! Well, I'm not patterning my life after his - I guess to me he always seemed like this awkward kid with an amazing gift. He was an American who could run with the best distance runners in the world. I never found anything to dislike about him - I don't care that he has big ears, or that he looks gay in certain photos. I'd root for him in races. Now, he did succeed in the NCAA without really being an NCAA athlete, but while that bothered me a bit, I always blamed Salazar for that more than Rupp, who was just a kid.

Now, though? If even half of what the Gouchers are saying is true, then I won't be rooting for Rupp anymore. It's one thing to be 16 or 17 and being fed stuff by a former world great, it's quite another to still be taking that stuff when you're 29.

So it seems that people here think that taking thyroid medication and using a testosterone cream has taken Galen Rupp and other Salazar coached athletes to world-class levels. Yet none of these appear to be illegal - at least not at the low levels that they are taking to avoid positive drug tests. Do we think that Salazar is the only one advising his athletes to take this substances? And if it's so effective, why are athletes still using EPO?

you could have just not posted wrote:

No one cares. Holy hell, you of all people waste so much time spouting out your nonsensical, irrelevant, arbitrary opinions.

You clearly know how a discussion board works. :)

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."

Winston Churchill

Link wrote:

And just for the record, I've always been a really big fan of Rupp. Somehow, I thought, that he was just this talented kid (13:37 in hs!! - afterall Salazar would never endager the health of a minor, even Salazar!) who, probably was doing some shady things, but no more than the Africans and who was inspiring kids to some of the best hs performances ever in this country.

I'm about as cynical as they come, but even I am shocked by the allegations here. I don't know why I am... maybe I'm just experiencing flashbacks from my time in Eugene. I was sooo disappointed then when I learned what was going on, how these guys were beating me so easily (or, at least one of the reasons they were...). It's like Breaking Away:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJETB-MfpnQ

Grrrrrrr!!

If you think track and cycling are dirty, take a look at the sports where the REAL money is made. The greater the financial incentive to succeed, that's where you'll find the cheaters in the greatest numbers.