"Call me Caitlyn Jenner." Annie Leibovitz photos

They don't. Be feminine, just be you. Be what's in your DNA. But when you start taking hormones, get fake tits, and shave down your body parts, don't you think that's kind of a clear sign that your going against your own DNA?!?!

Anyone else think it's funny that yesterday was National Wear A Dress Day?

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I am harping on your sloppy reasoning from your original post.

You said costs were a factor in why "T is actually a bad thing." Then you said paying money for breast surgery for whatever reasons - a totally unnecessary change to otherwise healthy women - was fine. "Let them do it" were your exact words if I'm not mistaken.

So tell us, is paying money for surgery a legitimate factor in judging whether what somebody does with their body is "bad" in this context?

Maybe not, but it can be one of the factors. And I was comparing it to LGB there. I don't understand why LGBT are together. T is very different from LGB. As it it seems like being T is possible only for the rich. It would be better to seek therapy to understand why they have those feelings and wouldn't have to mutilate their bodies.

These rich transpeople are in the news but what about normal people who have those feelings. They'll be very confused because such state of the art surgery won't be available for them.

Some people would say that wanting to marry and adopt children with a person of the same sex is wrong. The children will probably be messed up and that is a cost to society...not to mention it is against gods will.

Very sad that someone with a twisted thought process would mutilate their body to match their messed up mind. They should leave the body alone and correct their thinking instead - that's a much healthier way to get the two to "match".

What a whack job

You're taking it seriously. It's not reality.

Reality - my family and the people who know me say I'm one of the nicest people you'd ever meet. It's a game. Kind of like someone who says something racist in the game but in reality he isn't.

bcbcvx wrote:

I don't understand why LGBT are together. T is very different from LGB.

They are grouped together because they are people who have the shared experience of being discriminated against and treated with hatred due to their sexual orientation or identity.

Like any group facing hatred, they can pool their resources together to change public perception. They are not very different from "racial minorities" - which can include but is not limited to latinos, black, asians, etc. These people were once murdered in public and segregated in this country. They could not share the same bathrooms or bus seats as whites, and that was totally acceptable. Notice that minorities are different but have dealt with the same type of hatred based on skin color.

Not that long ago, people hated gay and lesbian people. While many still do, it is funny to see that people here are now accepting of them, while still hating transgender people. Gay and lesbian people do not seem to mind being associated with transgender people.

I suspect that in the future transgender people will be treated with respect and tolerance like the LGB people are [more or less] treated with now. But people are still uneducated and scared because these people do not fit into their overly simplistic view of society. They cannot "deal" with them.

The same was true of mixed relationships. The same was true of ethnic minorities (like the Irish or Italians). People are scared of things or people that are different. They hate things they don't understand. This groupthink is often dissolved when people have actual experiences with other individuals that they initially hate.

But until then, you are are right, you do not understand.

Freak show!!! He is insane and everyone is praising this poor fools insanity. Amazing what is now being considered as courage in our messed up country.

So is she a lesbian now? That seems automatic doesn't it?

Really all that has happened is that Bruce is in drag now and acting. He did always aspire to be an actor and this is his biggest role. And he's going to be well paid for it.

OK, I think Caitlyn has the right to live her life the way she sees fit. It's her business. What really kills me is all this BS about "the real me" and "the true me" - and if that isn't the most photo shopped air-brushed picture I have EVER seen, I don't know what is. There's nothing "real" or "true" about that picture. Magazines and advertisers get called out all the time for excessive photo shopping because it gives unrealistic images to impressionable girls. So how about this? Caitlyn is 65 years old. She does NOT have skin smooth as a baby's butt and a waist the size of a teenager's. So where's the outrage on this one?

I'd be much more onboard if Vanity Fair cut way back on the digital retouching and showed the "real" Caitlyn, wrinkles, flab, everything. This is the furthest thing from "Real" and "True" that I've ever seen.

I agree with this.

People are really revved up hating transgender people. At least they are being civil.

But he/she looks NOTHING like this.

Is She? wrote:

So is she a lesbian now? That seems automatic doesn't it?

Really all that has happened is that Bruce is in drag now and acting. He did always aspire to be an actor and this is his biggest role. And he's going to be well paid for it.

He still has man parts so he is certainly still a straight man. And even if he got a neovagina you can be sure that no lesbian would want to have sex with him. I agree this seems like a role. He is pretending to be a woman. It's certainly not reality.

You are really obsessed with this neovagina biz. Nice.

Why are you using two names now?

So I have an honest question. I am not trying to be hateful and/or mean about this. I just want to know.

Let's say that I decided tomorrow that I wanted to be a woman. Currently, I am a 33 year old man named Jim with a beard and a penis.

What if I came into the office tomorrow and just told everyone that I was now a woman named Jim. I no longer was a man. I still have the beard and the penis - and I still dress and act the same - but I am now a woman.

Is that legit? Am I supposed to fill out some IRS form or something? Can I just become a woman like that?

In this scenario, I honestly identify as a woman. I am not some jerk trying to make a political point in the office.

kdsajf;lkdsajf;ldsf;ldskf wrote:

You are really obsessed with this neovagina biz. Nice.

Why are you using two names now?

I don't remember what I used before. Easier to just type a new one. Seriously though is no one else concerned about these transpeople sex lives? He is straight. Who will be interested in him now? And I mean this in general about all transpeople, I know Bruce is 65 yo. I think therapy is the answer, not surgery.

Honest Questioner wrote:

So I have an honest question. I am not trying to be hateful and/or mean about this. I just want to know.

Let's say that I decided tomorrow that I wanted to be a woman. Currently, I am a 33 year old man named Jim with a beard and a penis.

What if I came into the office tomorrow and just told everyone that I was now a woman named Jim. I no longer was a man. I still have the beard and the penis - and I still dress and act the same - but I am now a woman.

Is that legit? Am I supposed to fill out some IRS form or something? Can I just become a woman like that?

In this scenario, I honestly identify as a woman. I am not some jerk trying to make a political point in the office.

You have to be able to walk in heels, cook and have breast enhancment. Then you are a woman.

No, I am serious. How does it work?