Alexa Effraimson is now faster than Mary Cain has been! 4:03!!!

It's more the belief that the coach has the power to unmake the athlete. And it's more than just Mary Cain. We ought to be very thankful that Jenny Simpson found her way back to Wetmore. Relieved that Maggie Vessey finally did the same. Hopeful that Laura Roesler can recover from whatever has happened to her since Oregon. Wondering what's going on with prize recruits at Stanford and Duke. Happy that Alexa Efraimson opted for continuity this year and maybe future years.

rojo wrote:

Why do people act like the coach makes the athlete and not vice versa.

Efraimson's coach talks to Salazar about stuff. I don't see how Efraimson's success has much of anything to do with Salazar.

Who was Jim Ryun's HS coach? Who was Mary Cain's initial HS coach? etc.

Odds of Efraimson joining Salazar = 0.000000000000001%

Odds of Efraimson staying with her present coach = 99%

No one knows the amount Cain was/is paid. No idea what it is, but what if she was offered like five-million or more to go pro with them? Cash is king.

If they made a similar offer to Effraimson, that 0.0000001% is naive, right?

Mary who?

rojo wrote:

Dttrdtrddtrrry wrote:

Odds of Efraimson joining Salazar = 0.000000000000001%

Odds of Efraimson staying with her present coach = 99%

Why do people act like the coach makes the athlete and not vice versa.

Efraimson's coach talks to Salazar about stuff. I don't see how Efraimson's success has much of anything to do with Salazar.

Who was Jim Ryun's HS coach? Who was Mary Cain's initial HS coach? etc.

Who was your coach, rojo?

:)

This:Alexa could take a hard dive when her body changes too, if indeed she ends up with a typical female Q angle.

...the Bad, and the Ugly wrote:

asdfsdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasd wrote:

It's pretty sad that Alexa's accomplishments can't be mentioned in the same breath without comparing her to Cain. It seems like this board just loves the fact that Cain is currently faltering. It's pretty sick taking such pleasure in the failures of a nineteen (eighteen?) year old girl.

Yup. I'd go back to New York, too, if almost EVERYONE among the few people who follow my sport wrote about hating me. It's a shame that so few people still want to cheer for Mary. A young woman's self-esteem is a fragile thing.

She won't. She has runner's hips and a mature stride. Similar to Coburn, Jenny et al. Cain has been more coltish but powerfully gifted otherwise.

markschultz25 wrote:

This:

Alexa could take a hard dive when her body changes too, if indeed she ends up with a typical female Q angle.

...the Bad, and the Ugly wrote:

Yup. I'd go back to New York, too, if almost EVERYONE among the few people who follow my sport wrote about hating me. It's a shame that so few people still want to cheer for Mary. A young woman's self-esteem is a fragile thing.

[quote]markschultz25 wrote:

This:

Alexa could take a hard dive when her body changes too, if indeed she ends up with a typical female Q angle.

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There are 2 positive things here (compared to Cain)

- Her body is one year more mature than Cain was when she ran (almost) as fast, so maybe there won't be as much change in Efraimson's body

- she ran faster than Cain, so her starting point is better.

clever giraffe wrote:

rojo wrote:

Why do people act like the coach makes the athlete and not vice versa.

Efraimson's coach talks to Salazar about stuff. I don't see how Efraimson's success has much of anything to do with Salazar.

Who was Jim Ryun's HS coach? Who was Mary Cain's initial HS coach? etc.

Who was your coach, rojo?

http://www.letsrun.com/jkspeaks4.php

:)

Good point. It's not fair for me to say the coach doens't make the runner when we say JK made Wejo. But come on. From not cracking 30 in college to 28:06, that's bigger than the mo farah transformation.

markschultz25 wrote:

This:

Alexa could take a hard dive when her body changes too, if indeed she ends up with a typical female Q angle.

I don't know. Alexa looks like she's already grown into her body and most importantly she's improving. The jury is still out on Cain.

rojo wrote:

Dttrdtrddtrrry wrote:

Odds of Efraimson joining Salazar = 0.000000000000001%

Odds of Efraimson staying with her present coach = 99%

Why do people act like the coach makes the athlete and not vice versa.

Efraimson's coach talks to Salazar about stuff. I don't see how Efraimson's success has much of anything to do with Salazar.

Who was Jim Ryun's HS coach? Who was Mary Cain's initial HS coach? etc.

Bob Timmons, a coach above and beyond JK's wildest fantasies.

Let's see:

Bob Timmons = Jim Ryun and Archie San Romani

JK = Wejo

Yeah, Efraimson looks more mature physically and as a person than Cain was at that age. Cain came off as a giggly adolescent.

Les wrote:

Yeah, Efraimson looks more mature physically and as a person than Cain was at that age. Cain came off as a giggly adolescent.

...and thus my point, about Cain-trashing being incessant, continues to be made with comments like this.

Suzuki wrote:

Let's see:

Bob Timmons = Jim Ryun and Archie San Romani

JK = Wejo

Didn't JK also coach rojo, wejo's identical twin? JK is a true genius, as the echo chamber has said a trillion times already. He has done the impossible, training two mono zygotes equally, but giving the good results to only one of them. How is that possible? Genetics schmetics. Nature doesn't matter. Nurture doesn't matter. Life is just one big crapshoot.

markschultz25 wrote:

Alexa could take a hard dive when her body changes too, if indeed she ends up with a typical female Q angle.

Complete bullsh|t She's 18 and her body won't change much unless she starts stuffing herself.

Has Hannah England had a good race since Worlds in 2011? So overated and how does she still get into big races, she is useless!

elmore345 wrote:

Has Hannah England had a good race since Worlds in 2011? So overated and how does she still get into big races, she is useless!

4th at the last world championships

6th at the European Championships

More useful than most.

Wejo's improvement reeks of PED usage.

How about someone get Alexa into a mile so we can get rid of the outdated 4:35 HS record and stop having to convert Cain and now Alexa's far superior 1500 times. Imagine if Webb only had his 3:38 1500 and not that 3:53 mile?