WEJO VS GATLIN!

the mf chronic wrote:

This is the reason why I can never come back on letsrun. Everytime I'm back, I feel this negative aura because these people can't seem to let things go. Yeah Gatlin messed up, but how are these questions improving the sport? The answer is--they're not.

It helps the sport and sports in general because for "one reason or another" people in general don't seem to get that cheating makes your accomplishments invalid. Assuming that Gatlin did dope, everything he accomplished has a big red mark on it. He can't just come back as a hero when we know he got here by ill-minded means. It's like Brady knowing about the deflated balls. Sales of his jersey are UP not down. Someone has to stand up against cheats, even if it isn't popular, and even if it turns out in vain. Nobody ever changed anything without going against the grain.

What a knucklehead wrote:

reader of the forums wrote:

Sure I do.

Either the masseur made him test positive or he knowingly took drugs.

I know which one of these is more likely the case.

LOL - you just proved the guy's point. No, you DON'T know which one is more likely.

Yes I do.

What a knucklehead wrote:

The poster makes a good point that the masseur may have used a bad creme without being aware it contained a banned substance.

It's also possible someone could have rubbed such a creme into Gatlin's body while he was sleeping in his home.

It's not likely the case, however.

What a knucklehead wrote:

If you tried to run your BS in an actual court of law you would instantly lose.

No I wouldn't.

There is a reason Gatlin's ban wasn't overturned on appeal.

Smooth Daddy wrote:

Journalists are supposed to report the news.

Huh? You brainwashed narrowmind!

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Anyone who thinks you can run faster clean than doped when past your peak is an idiot

Where can I get the drugs you're using? Hopefully that won't make me stupid.

All the college kids giving props to brojos for \"asking the tough questions\" and biology grad students poking holes in Gatlin\'s totally non scientific \"mouse vs human\" response need to get a life. The main issue at hand is not whether or not Gatlin doped, or whether or not wejo was right to bring it up now. It is where in the F is Usain in this race, why is Tyson not racing in the same race as Justin, why is Yohan not at the meet? No wonder nobody cares about track and field.

What a knucklehead wrote:

LOL - you just proved the guy's point. No, you DON'T know which one is more likely. The poster makes a good point that the masseur may have used a bad creme without being aware it contained a banned substance.

If you tried to run your BS in an actual court of law you would instantly lose.

Bummed Lewis Johnson didn't ask Gatlin about WeJo in his post-race interview. I was waiting for Gatlin to explain that he's working on getting a press credential + looking forward to taking WeJo down in the Press 800m in Beijing. Sit & kick, baby!

P.s. I see Gatlin in tights & spikes vs WeJo in khakis & trainers.

P.p.s. RoJo - If I can manage to "blaze" a 2:40 (which I did today at age 50), you can certainly improve on your 2:49 from 2013.

casual fan wrote:

All the college kids giving props to brojos for "asking the tough questions" and biology grad students poking holes in Gatlin's totally non scientific "mouse vs human" response need to get a life. The main issue at hand is not whether or not Gatlin doped, or whether or not wejo was right to bring it up now. It is where in the F is Usain in this race, why is Tyson not racing in the same race as Justin, why is Yohan not at the meet? No wonder nobody cares about track and field.

Gatlin's mouse vs human response is correct. How many drugs and conclusions are based off of only animal trials? There is almost always a human trial in between.

If I knew wrote:

casual fan wrote:

All the college kids giving props to brojos for "asking the tough questions" and biology grad students poking holes in Gatlin's totally non scientific "mouse vs human" response need to get a life. The main issue at hand is not whether or not Gatlin doped, or whether or not wejo was right to bring it up now. It is where in the F is Usain in this race, why is Tyson not racing in the same race as Justin, why is Yohan not at the meet? No wonder nobody cares about track and field.

Gatlin's mouse vs human response is correct. How many drugs and conclusions are based off of only animal trials? There is almost always a human trial in between.

The bottom line on the mouse study is even the researcher acknowledges he has NO EViDENCE to support the claim that steroid use results in long term strength/performance gains in humans. He has said, IF the same results are found to be true for humans .... But he has no evidence to support that if.

That doesn't stop the geniuses on LosersRant from citing the study as proof!

The reality here is that detractors hate Gatlin and don't need proof. Hate is all they need.

And stop the praise for the self promoter WeJo. Gatlin totally schooled him in the interview and that's real sad when you consider that school isn't Gatlin's strong suit.

people who cheer for dopers should be banned from track and forced to go watch their dopers in a special dope league.

reader of the forums wrote:

The talk turned to doping when a foreign journalist asked Gatlin about a study with mice that showed the effects of doping could linger well after the doping stopped. Gatlin was asked what he thought about the study.

Gatlin said, “I think it’s ridiculous. My situation was 2006 – that was a decade ago… they need to go and see what is happening in the medical world, don’t come to me with that. A lot of people have been in the same situation I have been in….I’m not sure why you would match a laboratory mouse to a human being, that’s unfathomable to me.”

What a moron.

Actually you are the moron. Do some research on why mice studies don't prove equal to studies on humans, etc.

SMiLE wrote:

Smooth Daddy wrote:

Journalists are supposed to report the news. Gatlin has said everything he wants to say about his drug situation, track fans have already beaten the issue to death, and you (Wejo) are just trying to embarrass him here. If hope he finds a way to get you banned from meets or better yet, hires someone to kick your ass.

When you find yourself getting angry that someone doesn't share your view, or you find yourself wanting harm inflicted upon someone who doesn't share your view, it is usually a sign that you have certain biases which are preventing you from thinking about the issue rationally.

"Rationality" is a myth and evidence that perception is projection, as much as confirmation bias is a steady state for every human being.

Every human being has a bias at all times. Even when they are challenging their biases, they may swing too far to the other side in compensation.

Bad Wigins:

people who cheer for dopers should be banned from track and forced to go watch their dopers in a special dope league.

And what about people who cheer from drug COUNTRIES caught redhanded by a whistleblower not doing any out-of-competition testing for months, if not years:

I suggest you start with banning Sebastian Coe.

1) I don't want to bring it up every time. I don't feel he has every fully answered the question. Usually he tries to change the subject or move onto something else. People on here pointed out it looked like he wanted to answer the question at World Relays, so to bring some closure to this issue I decided to ask him again in a more personal setting. I was hoping to talk to him 1 on 1 but with the French guy asking the drug question it was a perfect intro.

The drug questions are back into the main picture because of Gay returning and Dennis Mitchell still coaching team USA.

Gatlin didn't want to answer the question, but the best thing in the personal setting is I don't have to accept his non answer.

History shows that most people busted for drugs say they didn't do it and most of the public believes them to be not telling the truth. Gatlin is free to compete but I don't think a lot of people will have sympathy for him until he fesses up.

2) Gatlin still has never fessed up. He refers to it as his 'incident'. He has not accepted responsibility so many people won't forgive him.

Actually asking the NOP athletes about injections would be a good thing to do.

wejo wrote:

2) Gatlin still has never fessed up. He refers to it as his 'incident'. He has not accepted responsibility so many people won't forgive him.

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This.

Gatlin never accepted what he has done. This was not the case with Dwain Chambers (for example). He was very sincere about drugs when he tested positive.

And remind me how fast Chambers was in his comeback. Yes he was fast (9.99 in 2010), but not as fast as his 9.87 doped (8 years before). He never made a podium (except indoors), and only he made 1 major final (Osaka 2009)

And probably Chambers still was juicing for that range of times (between 9.99 to his 10.12 SB last year) because one gets older!

Chambers was caught red handed in the Balco scandal. Gatlin can(possibly) lie and blame his massage therapist. Of course being associated with Trevor Graham that story seems like a tale spun out of Alice in Wonderland.

I would love for some crew of track fans to chant DOPER...DOPER...DOPER.... at pre or the Adidas meet this week. Or wherever our criminal sprinter Crüe shows up.

If 3 people did it, it would be a movement....

wejo wrote:

I don't want to bring it up every time. I don't feel he has every fully answered the question. Usually he tries to change the subject or move onto something else.

He answered your questions, but you just didn't get it.

You're not understanding a couple of things, which leads to your fallacy:

1. Chambers isn't anywhere as near naturally talented as Gatlin.

2. Sprinters can perform at their peak well into their 30s if they take care of themselves and train properly.

So when you compare Chamber's comeback times to Gatlin's, you commit a gross logical fallacy. Of course Gatlin is running faster - he is the better sprinter. Anyone with a coach's eye will tell you that. For you American football fans, comparing Chambers to Gatlin is like comparing Jay Cutler to Bob Griese (would have said Joe Montana, but have to say Usain Bolt is the equivalent to Joe). Whether you like Gatlin or not, whether he doped or not, the fact is Gatlin is one of the greatest sprinters ever. If that bothers you, you really should get over it and get on with your life.