1980 Olympic 100m Champion, Scottish Allan Wells, accused of doping in a BBC documentary

Only an idiot thinks ANY sprinters were clean after 1964. Read "Speed Trap" by Charlie Francis, yes, Ben Johnson's coach, and you'll have a good laugh along with insight as to how dirty the sprints and throws are. Here in the US they liked to point at the E. Germans while it turned out the supposedly clean folks like Evelyn Ashford were gobbling down the dbol and getting shots of "winny" all the time. What is more interesting is the way third world countries are generally let off the hook when their athletes are caught.

Again, read Francis's book - he names names. John Smith. The former 440 yard WR holder and Oly team member was a major player in introducing drugs to a lot of sprinters. Yes, that John Smith. The wonderful "coach". What LR guys might find most interesting in the book is the testing done on athletes at the 1968 Olympic Games (by the IOC etc., as the question of drugs was finally being looked into). There were no rules against drug use per se so the tests were for reference and study, but the Jamaicans and ... Kenyans(!) were popping up left and right with positive test results for drugs. Draw your own conclusions. There are still boatloads of tards who think Kenyans wouldn't take an aspirin. Take a look at the diminishing numbers of sub 13 5k runners and low 27 and sub 27 10k runners out of E. Africa as the testing improves. Guess they have to keep all of their "use" confined to the off-season training camps.

What? You guys think Bolt is clean? You think Cantwell is all natural? You think Geb wasn't doping in his heyday? lol

exthrower wrote:

You're a Tool! wrote:

Who is this Mohamed Ali? Must be club fighter is he related to Muhammad Ali?

You know, the guy who fought as a 175 pounder in the Olympics and then went up to a cut 220 as a heavyweight.

Amazing Dumbth here.

1) The limit for Ali's weight class in 1960 was 81Kg or @178.5 lbs. Ali was 18 at the time, and not fully developed in either height or weight:

2) Ali's physical peak as a fighter occurred in 1966-1967, when he was 24-25. He was roughly 212 at "peak", although often fought lighter. At this point he was an adult, and did the typical boxer's bodyweight resistance exercises of hitting the heavy bag, pushups, pullups, chopping wood, situps, etc. No weights.

3) The "220" and above you refer to--weights at which Ali fought after his return from his suspension and until his retirement (1970-1981) occurred when he was FAT, not CUT. While Ali was always in shape in the first part of his career, from 1970 onward he fought in various degrees of "Out of Shapedness". Sometimes they were fairly minor, as in his 1st fight against Frazier and his fight against Foreman, sometimes they were sad to behold, as with his first fight against Spinks:https://youtu.be/Y_531XoPrNQ But while Ali was, at one point, bordering on ripped (mid-60s), and while he did fight in the 220s, he never fought as a "ripped 220+ pounder", etc. etc.

Also I have it on good authority that Wells was a communist.

And that's why he won the races.

Speed Trap tells all wrote:

... Read "Speed Trap" by Charlie Francis, yes, Ben Johnson's coach, and you'll have a good laugh along with insight as to how dirty the sprints and throws are. Here in the US they liked to point at the E. Germans while it turned out the supposedly clean folks like Evelyn Ashford were gobbling down the dbol and getting shots of "winny" all the time. What is more interesting is the way third world countries are generally let off the hook when their athletes are caught.

Again, read Francis's book - he names names....

So, a book by a confirmed liar and cheat is taken as gospel? No, I haven't read it. And if I'm looking for the truth on TDF drug cheats, I won't go see what Lance has to so say about it, either.

Ben L Wrong wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-3092628/Allan-Wells-hits-doping-claims-never-taken-drugs-just-not-lived-myself.html

I thought that sprinters from the 70's were clean...but now I think that doping became widespread even in the 60's. Probably the fastests clean athletes at the time (60's/70's were Enrique Figuerola and Silvio Leonard from Cuba-, or Don Quarrie from Jamaica.

I don't know if Wells was dirty or not, but the 1980 Olympics was perhaps the dirtiest ever, athletes doped with impunity. Doping is not new, if has been going in some form since the late 1900s. However, up until the 1970s, doping was more experimentation than science. It wasn't until the 70s that Blood Doping/HGH/anabolic steroid, the holy grail of doping came in vogue. It started in the USSR/Eastern Bloc countries and by the late 70s, migrated to Western Europe and to the U.S. in the mid-80s. Yes, the USA was late to the doping game. American athletes resisted doping initially because of the health risk associated with the early drugs, which were basically the same stuff you gave to race horses. America females were also late to doping because of the American ideas of femininity, our female athletes didn't want to look like the typical manish looking USSR/Eastern Bloc athletes. That all started to change when our female sprinters were getting beat by the USSR/Eastern Bloc women starting in the late 70s. The early 80s were dominated by Marita Koch, Jarmila Kratochvílová, Olga Bryzgina. Tatyana Kazankina, Olga Dvirna and Nadezhda Olizarenko to name a few. The performances that came out of the 1980 Olympcics were mind blowing and in fact these women would just as dominate today. Just looking at body types and progression one can assume doping never became widespread among U.S. women, but a few did acquest.

American men never lost their sprint dominance; however, during the 70s to early 80s, there were several Caucasian/European men among the top-10 like, the Italian Pietro Mennea, the Russian Valeriy Pylypovych Borzov, former GDR Frank Emmelmann, Frenchmen Gilles Quénéhervé and Allan Wells. And of course the British and North African athletes dominated the middle distance during the 80s, which coincidentally cooled off with the first test for synthetic EPO and the advent of national AD agencies and OOC testing.

I have no idea if Wells was clean but his success will always be in doubt for a number of reasons and one of which is what was going on in Europe at that time.

LOL. That's a lot of biased twaddle.

The 'Americans were late to the game' is utter nonsense.

The U.S. Sprinters and throwers were experimenting on the University campuses in the 1960's at the same time the Communist block were carrying out state sponsored doping.

There was a lot of doping by the East European women and in the men's power events by the 1980's, but the idea that all Europeans (Western) is nonsense.

You think that the British women busting a gut to run 11.3, 22 mid, 51 for 400 and 2:00 for 800 were all doped, despite being trounced by the Soviets and East Getmans?

Likewise in the distance events. An Ethiopian won the 5 & 10 double, and this was before the great emergence of the African nations in the early 90's.

There was little evidence at the time that steroids were of any use to middle of long distance runners, apart from women. There is suggestions that some Finns were blood doping, but little to suggest that the majority of others were doing anything illegal.

The Americans were not exempt. Though I doubt their middle and distance guys were taking anything, nor their women until the early 80's, probably around the time of the LA Olympics.

Al Oerter was the dirtiest doper ever and a cheat.

'Speed Trap tells all', it's hard to take your post seriously when you use "tards" and "lol", it comes across as being written by a 14 year old.

This wouldn't even be a thread if some black sprinter other than Bolt were the one being accused. lol

There was a lot of doping in the 60's. I'm sure some of that went on in the 40's and 50's as well. And you don't think Hitler doped his master race for the '36 games? It's just a question of what type of efficacy the stuff he gave them had.

You apparently can't read.

Ali got fat in the 1970s. Not muscular. FAT.

Joe Louis won an amateur title at light heavyweight (same as Ali) and weighed in at around the same weight in his later defenses.

So tell me more.

Apparently, during the 30's/40's/50's, athletes doped up with stimulants (not much different coktails if you take some examples like Carl Lewis, Asafa Powell, or Mike Rodgers)

TrackCoach wrote:

I don't know if Wells was dirty or not, but the 1980 Olympics was perhaps the dirtiest ever, athletes doped with impunity. Doping is not new, if has been going in some form since the late 1900s. However, up until the 1970s, doping was more experimentation than science. It wasn't until the 70s that Blood Doping/HGH/anabolic steroid, the holy grail of doping came in vogue. It started in the USSR/Eastern Bloc countries and by the late 70s, migrated to Western Europe and to the U.S. in the mid-80s. Yes, the USA was late to the doping game. American athletes resisted doping initially because of the health risk associated with the early drugs,

I don't think so.

Jim Hines, Bob Hayes, Ronnie Ray Smith, Lee Evans, Tommie Smith, John Carlos, Charles Greene, Larry James, etc.

All of them looked enhanced, and their track careers were short (not only for NFL reasons, because almost all of them sucked in Pro Football)

I read about the sprints camp before Mexico Games...dianabol was all over the place in that camp. Not only amongst throwers.

No they were a part of it and they doped too. Doping works so why wouldn't their totalitarian government feed steroids to their athletes.

The really serious doping started in the early 70s with the Communist Bloc countries. The EGs pretty much cornered the market on doping from 1970 - mid 80s.

Better stick to sprints coach d.

this is not news.

pietro mennea, borzov, wells and the rest of the who's who were on roids

and somewhere down the line most of them admitted PED use in PUBLIC.

I very strongly remember a programme or documentary about drugs and Wells was interviewed. And I was amazed, even then, that he said "well, I did wonder if perhaps I should if the others are .... but didn't" And it was patently obvious that he was lying even then.

David Jenkins was peddling his drugs in the USA, not the UK (correct me if I'm wrong).

Wells's career was a bit of a red flag: late 20s, suddenly getting big and good, not proof he was taking steroids but very suspicious.

The accusations made against Coe, Ovett and Cram are just ignorant. They were all extraordinary teenagers (at a time when there was no money in the sport, so no reason to think their coaches were doping them) whose careers were very different from Wells's.