Some people would actually take Michael Jordan over Lebron James?

Jordan without Pippen alone (5 seasons) had a sub .400 record, 0 championships, 0 playoff series wins, 0 MVPs, 0 All-NBA Defense and just 1-9 post season record.

How many rings without Jordan? Zero. Jordan is a legacy now, a myth to some from another era. James is still playing and in his prime. It's like comparing Shaquille to Wilt. Both we're dominate centers but to say who was better is a matter of opinion shaped by highlight reels, statistics and fandom. My opinion is based on the back to back 3 peats and the significant catalyst Jordan was to that. The Bulls had an opportunity to win a championship without Jordan but came up short.

James and Jordan are both phenomenal talents with different gifts. Any team would give up the boat to have either one of them on their roster. It's just that Jordan had this unshakeable confident demeanor and always wanted the ball and most of the time he did something special with it. And one more big piece, he never gave up on his team. James last season with Cleveland before jumping ship was pathetic, Jordan would have never done that and that is why I will always rate Jordan over James.

At the end of the day, Jordan brought home the bacon. The other guy hasn't learned to do that yet. EOT

Lebron's Cavs aren't exactly playing against superior competition. The Heat has been my favorite team since the 90's and I have always hated Jordan since he used to knock them out every year. But when I watched Jordan play, I always KNEW his team would win. It felt inevitable. When I watched LeBron w/ the Het and now with the Cavs I don't feel that way. The Heat's two titles were against the baby Thunder w/ a very young Durant and Westbrook. The win against the Spurs was mostly luck. LeBron had Wade and Bosh, both great in their own right, but also other really solid vets for support.

Lebron now has Kyrie and Love (although injured) and Tristan Thompson, JR Smith, Shumpert, Marion, etc. A great mix of youth and veterans. But the teams he has face this post season are absolute GARBAGE. The Nets? A sub .500 team. The Artist formerly known As Derrick Rose and his Bulls? No. And now the most laughable: The Hawks! When one of your best players is Kyle Korver you are in serious trouble. The East is weak. I suspect if the Cavs played in the West they would have been eliminated in Round 1.

Nothingelsematters wrote:

At the end of the day, Jordan brought home the bacon. The other guy hasn't learned to do that yet. EOT

"LeBron James is now measurably as clutch as Michael Jordan"

And Lebron isn't even close to being done yet.

Please turn the TV on & watch the game

justintherunner wrote:

w/ the Het and now with the Cavs I don't feel that way. The Heat's two titles were against the baby Thunder w/ a very young Durant and Westbrook.

Typical Heat fan can't even spell the team name & doesn't know how many championships the Heat won against the Thunder.

Nothingelsematters wrote:

At the end of the day, Jordan brought home the bacon. The other guy hasn't learned to do that yet. EOT

If that is true, please explain why in 9 seasons out of Jordan's 15 HE NEVER EVEN MADE IT TO THE FINALS!

Oh his team wasn't that good, but when he did make it to the finals, it was because Jordan "refused to lose".

Please hero worshippers just stop, you are embarrassing yourselves!

Come back at the end of LJs career and tell us how many rings he has. You already know it won't be many. MJ made his team win one way or another, he willed it. That's what it's going to take for LJ to be called GOAT

BenSi wrote:

justintherunner wrote:

w/ the Het and now with the Cavs I don't feel that way. The Heat's two titles were against the baby Thunder w/ a very young Durant and Westbrook.

Typical Heat fan can't even spell the team name & doesn't know how many championships the Heat won against the Thunder.

Hmm, you must have missed the following sentence referencing the win against the Spurs. I realize the Heat have three titles, but this is just about LeBron, who was only on the team for two titles...

I for one can't stand Jordan. I think he is a deplorable person. LeBron seems like a decent dude, and he is one of my all-time favorite players. I think he is physically the most talented player ever. The difference between the two seems to be largely a systematic difference in today's NBA where the players are more concerned with being fashion icons, griping about social issues, being best buddies on and off the court, and securing massive contracts. The NBA has become a buddy league where the players have an us against them mentality and they don't compete against one with the ruthlessness of Jordan's era. If LeBron were as ruthless as Jordan he might one day surpass him, but Jordan was singular and obsessive, and LeBron doesn't have that mindset. He is more concerned with becoming a billionaire and having everyone love him.

justintherunner wrote: He is more concerned with becoming a billionaire and having everyone love him.

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Lebron was the 6th highest paid player last year. Joe Johnson & Chris Bosh were paid more than Lebron this season. Carmello & Kobe as well. Where are they right now? When is their upcoming game. If Lebron was more concerned about becoming a billionaire he wouldn't have signed with the Heat & shared his $ with Wade & Bosh. He also certainly wouldn't have signed back with the Cavs if he was after the money. Last off season the Lakers were interested as well as several coastal teams who would have paid him lots more than the Cavs.

Also, Lebron has rode his bike & later was seen driving a Kia to work so there goes his concerned about image thang.

Jordan still has the highest single season NBA salary! $33.1 million. That was in 1997. Jordan's salary alone was more than most teams entire salary. Last season Lebron made $20.6 million. If anybody is after the money it's Jordan. He's still obsessed with it.

So who is really Clutch Jordan or Lebron?

If there was a stat for percentage of game winning shots made or missed would you (either Lebron or Jordan fans accept this stat) as representative of clutch performance? Even if it provides information contrary to your belief.

Or much safer, I am predicting most of you will just ignore the question/challenge.

Great post. Maj was so ruthless he cheated his own mother in a game of cards with no stakes. He was addicted to winning, at all costs. LJ doesn't have an ounce of that kind of intensity or hunger that MJ had.

All you hero worshippers just PLEASE look at the facts. Yes Jordan was the prolific scorer but Lebron is the team player who makes everyone better. Who had a bigger positive impact on their teams...LEBRON!!

The Bulls record the first three years of Jordan. 84/85 38-44, 85/86 30-52, 86-87 40-42. All LOSING records. Now they add Grant and Pippen for 87/88 and suddenly the record jumps to 47-33. Its the addition of Pippen and Grant that made that team great. Now look at Jordan's time with Washington 37-45 both years. Jordan NEEDS great teammates.

Now look at what Lebron did for his team. Clevelnad went from 17-65 before Lebron to 35-47 with him his first year (lead by a 19/20 yr. old) and then 42-40 the next year, then each team he's been on has been super.

No comparison. The stats don't lie. Lebron leads teams regardless of talent, Jordan needs great teams to pack his resume.

Accept that you all bought the myth of Jordan. Yes he's the best scorer but not the best for the team. Lebron is the one to select to have a winning team.

End of thread.

fewer steroids

Lebron wins in the 200.

Jordan in the 1500.

I win.

Bballmaster wrote:

Great post. Maj was so ruthless he cheated his own mother in a game of cards with no stakes. He was addicted to winning, at all costs. LJ doesn't have an ounce of that kind of intensity or hunger that MJ had.

Well its been clearly established with FACTS that Lebron improved his team more than Jordan improved his teams.

I agree with your post though, Jordan was ruthless and Jordan's focus was always on Jordan not the team. The results showed this. If he cheated his own mother, how would treat teammates?

+2 You have established that Lebron had a greater positive effect on his teams than Jordan had on his.

Who has more rings? EOT

Attheendoftheday wrote:

Who has more rings? EOT

The reason he was awarded +2 that he demonstrated the direct impact on teams of the addition of Lebron versus Jordan. He also showed the impact on the bulls of adding Grant and Pippen.

The "Who has more rings" measure is confounded by the relative contributions of teammates. A team wins a championship not an individual. If we went just by the number of rings than Pippen, by that criterion, would be better than Lebron.

So, sorry but I have to deduct 1/2 for your reasoning that who has more rings is better.