TOM TERRIBLE IS SUSPENDED!

Leo does not get a show.

I am in the process of paying for my mistakes. He has to too, which means the microphone gets taken away.

Go tell him to sign up for Habitat for Humanity.

Brady has not been suspended. I can't honestly see it happening given the inconclusiveness of the report.

you watch colin cowherd?

I think the bigger picture here is that the NFL has to be wondering, what else are the Patriots going to do? SpyGate, DeflateGate, then what? But that being said, all teams need to be scrutinized better to ensure they're not doing anything that is considered cheating.

Doesn't matter if he cheated or not (EVERY respectable outlet to date confirms he DIDN'T), he's still the GOAT quarterback. It's just standard behavior for those less gifted in life to hate those who work harder or have been dealt a better hand in life.

what exactly can the nfl do to brady - that will have ANY effect on him in ANY way? ... except missing some games.

Noticed in the Well's report that three of the four Colts balls that were measured were also under the 12.50psi limit (depending on who measured them) - if Brady is to be suspended for knowingly cheating (which I don't believe he knew), does Andrew Luck get suspended for ignorantly cheating?

Flagpole I always enjoy your posts! You're absolutely correct!

kanny wrote:

Agreed. You can even argue that Montana's best receiver (Rice) admitted to cheating by using stickum, so even Montana's 4 SBs deserve a giant asterisk.

mashole wrote:

Oh, boo hoo. Poor Baltimore lost a game. Sour grapes. Get over it.

Brady is one of the best ever, this is a tempest in a teapot.

Brady up there with Joe Montana.

Right; because Rice was on ALL 4 of those Super Bowls wasn't he.

Flagpole wrote:

Actually, I think Brady deserves whatever is coming to him because he cheated in the game they play. THAT should be the limit of the NFL's action in my opinion.

Where did you see that Brady cheated? That is a serious question.

The Wells report indicated that Brady was probably generally aware that two employees.were making sure the footballs were inflated to 12.5 psi.

First, "more likely than not" is NFL lawyer-speak for, "Yep, he did it."

Second, the Pats refused to allow McNally to be interviewed by Wells after the text messages became known to Wells. The Pats knew if McNally was forced to testify, he might flip and tell what really happened. We don't know how bad this would have been, but it was bad enough that the Pats decided to risk punishment by refusing the interview.

Third, Brady refused to cooperate with the investigation by refusing to allow access to his mobile phone. Facing a possible suspension, subsequent loss of reputation, and a permanent tarnish on his legacy, an innocent person would have said, "Sure, check it out. I got nothing to hide."

I'd like to see an 8 game suspension for Brady and loss of the Pats' 2016 1st round draft pick.

fisky wrote:

First, "more likely than not" is NFL lawyer-speak for, "Yep, he did it."

Second, the Pats refused to allow McNally to be interviewed by Wells after the text messages became known to Wells. The Pats knew if McNally was forced to testify, he might flip and tell what really happened. We don't know how bad this would have been, but it was bad enough that the Pats decided to risk punishment by refusing the interview.

Third, Brady refused to cooperate with the investigation by refusing to allow access to his mobile phone. Facing a possible suspension, subsequent loss of reputation, and a permanent tarnish on his legacy, an innocent person would have said, "Sure, check it out. I got nothing to hide."

I'd like to see an 8 game suspension for Brady and loss of the Pats' 2016 1st round draft pick.

Just to be clear, you also want all of the other QB's to be suspended as well right?

Finally Gisele will leave this loser and give all us good guys a fair shot at her cooter. That's how it works right?

Your ignorance is stunning, even for Letsrun.

Of course, the report did not contain those words.

No one testified. This was not a criminal investigation. Try to keep up.

So Brady is guilty because of a lack of evidence? Do you have any idea how stupid you sound?

I'd like to see you committed to a home for the incurable mentally retarded.

What Ray Rice did I would describe as felony assault. He should have done jail time for that--and I think someone who wasn't an NFL player of his ability would have--but was suspended a whopping two games. Without question, if one of our NCAA athletes did that, they would be kicked off the team immediately, and they would probably be kicked out of school.

It is upon that basis that I'm watching the Tom Brady affair. If the NFL decides that letting a little air out of one's own footballs is more serious than what Ray Rice did, I will switch the NFL and the Super Bowl off forever. It would send a terrible message to young men and families all over this country.

Do you mean NCAA athletes like Jameis Winston who faces multiple rape accusations, but was never disciplined by his school? The same Winston who is now being celebrated as the NFL's #1 draft pick?

But let's not skew our priorities here. The important thing is to make sure that Tom Brady pays a steep price for playing with slightly under inflated balls that he may not have known about.

Here is the thing. The Colts brought up the idea that the Pat's footballs might not be properly inflated to the league before the game. OK, that is fair.

The league then decided to have a sting rather than warning NE to make sure they followed the rules. (Like they did for teams breaking the rules by heating footballs.) OK, fair, but not really, if all you want is the rules to be followed.

However, instead of doing things professionally and well prepared, the refs go into the game with two gauges that are calibrated 0.4 pounds differently. Instead of measuring all the footballs for both teams and writing everything down before, at halftime and after the game, they only manage to get a few numbers at halftime and guess the rest from memory.

This is just like the cop who tries to say you were speeding when he hasn't calibrated his radar gun in 6 weeks and can't find his copy of the ticket where he claims to have written down other evidence.

I think Brady should VOLUNTEER to pay for an extra ref for the rest of the games he plays to calibrate a gauge, measure and certify his footballs are 12.7 +/- 0.2 pounds, before during and after the game. That is ALL he ever wanted and that is ALL the league is owed.

coach d wrote:

What Ray Rice did I would describe as felony assault. He should have done jail time for that--and I think someone who wasn't an NFL player of his ability would have--but was suspended a whopping two games. Without question, if one of our NCAA athletes did that, they would be kicked off the team immediately, and they would probably be kicked out of school.

It is upon that basis that I'm watching the Tom Brady affair. If the NFL decides that letting a little air out of one's own footballs is more serious than what Ray Rice did, I will switch the NFL and the Super Bowl off forever. It would send a terrible message to young men and families all over this country.

The NFL should not have any authority to punish a player for doing something that doesn't affect the game or its members in any way. BUT, the NFL SHOULD be able to punish a player who cheats in a game or says or does something that affects a player or an official or coach. Assault is a legal issue and should be handled in a court of law. The risk to the player for behaving in that manner is of course legal action and then the risk that an NFL team doesn't want to employ a guy like that going forward, but official suspensions and fines are ridiculous.

Brady (allegedly) cheated in THE biggest NFL game and reportedly others. This is an actionable offense. Ray Rice should have only been punished by the legal system if it deemed that necessary.

That said, it should be clear that I believe that what Ray Rice did was MUCH worse than what Brady is accused of having done.

Flagpole wrote:

Brady (allegedly) cheated in THE biggest NFL game and reportedly others. This is an actionable offense. Ray Rice should have only been punished by the legal system if it deemed that necessary.

Brady did not allegedly cheat in the super bowl.

I'm not a New England fan (or hater), but they've got no proof Brady paid even asked them to deflate the balls below legal limit. Sure, I totally believe he gave them some gifts/money and told them with a wink that he sure likes the footballs softer than the refs allow.

The funny part of this whole fiasco is that guys get busted constantly for PED's in the NFL, get a 4 game suspension, and no one cares to this degree or feels like the opposing teams were cheated. Maybe it's because we know our own teams have plenty of dopers too. It's going to be a classic Goodell decision if Brady gets a longer suspension than a failed steroid test.