LetsRun.com Needs to Come up With A Policy for Race Cheaters

wejo wrote:

My most recent tactic is to write the person back and say it looks like their relative cheated and explain why. In one I got last year, I wrote the brother back and said I'd be open to the idea of removing the thread if the person would just admit to cheating. Maybe I should say I'll remove it if they admit to it, and promise to not run a marathon again.

Or maybe we should have a time period that it stays up? Or maybe they shouldn't cheat in the first place?

I'm open to ideas on this. We are all human beings, so that means we are all flawed and make mistakes, and understand the concept of the "right to be forgotten". What do you all think?

So did the A1A cheater confess that she cheated?

Because I'm having a hard time understanding how it can be open season on Mike Rossi for 3,000 posts, but you remove a thread about a woman accused of cheating, for which there is much stronger evidence she cut the course.

Other than we all seem to hate Mike Rossi.

Not exactly a consistent or objective LetsRun policy.

She definitely cheated, I guess lets just keep the pressure on the race director to ensure her time gets removed. I'm not sure why that thread got deleted, nothing was out of hand on it.

I feel like the concept of marathon cheaters has now overrun the boards, but this thread is useless if Wejo doesn't explain why the A1A chick's thread was deleted.

I'm not getting what the point of these threads, to find joggers who didn't run the whole race, ie "cheating"? For what? Does it make you feel better about yourself? You don't think that out of tens of thousands of runners finishing marathon spectacles there aren't people cutting the course? I think there are dozens of them and it doesn't affect me at all. It never occurred to me to bother looking for them either. How does it affect you?

What is compelling about threads that go for thousands of posts about one or two joggers who cut the course?

DC Area Runner wrote:

Doubler - what happened to the other thread with the woman who cheated? Did the brojos delete it? The evidence was very compelling, nice work.

Some weird stuff going on here, and it's not making a lot of sense.

I am simply not a fan of burning books or threads, it is a matter of record and no need to purge the world of what may be distasteful to some.

That said I have tossed a couple of self-serving books in the past two years, bought when my understanding of the authors turned out to be vastly different than the truth. However, these were my personal property and anyone can still purchase them elsewhere.

I think you'd have to use your judgment on each instance. Someone who comes forward and admits to and explains how and why they cheated should be forgiven. Accepting such a sincere apology may be harder than giving it yet how else is the flawed heart forgiven? But the thread should be archived and available for access should the need arise, I am thinking of the someone who offers an apology but it later becomes apparent it wasn't sincere at all, just lip service.

The longer the current high-profile person in question delays, the less I would accept any apology as sincere since it is apparent he is waiting to see what the RD's decision will be.

Sometimes being uncomfortable is part of the solution and shouldn't be forgotten. Running is the one perfect life analogy.

WTF Wejo!?!?

Bring back that thread. How is Kara Knoblock Moore any different than other marathon cheaters who have been outed on this site? It was agreed on that thread that we'd let the thread die if she comes clean and admits she cheated to the race director. As far as I'm aware, she continued to deny cheating and she had posted on social media that she was planning on running Boston next year. She also bragged about her marathon performance on social media (at least Rossi felt bad enough to say nothing) and has been featured in at least one running magazine article as a slower than 2:00 hr half marathoner (big self-promoter, like Rossi).

While I'm fine with letting the thread die, once she comes clean, I don't think that threads should ever be deleted. It's threads like hers that are going to make people think twice about intentionally cutting a course to achieve a Boston qualifier.

You guys are such hypocrites! You claim to want to get rid of cheats in the sport, yet you delete a thread that helps accomplish that noble aim.

too many cheats to count? wrote:

Did you come up with a policy for marathon cheaters?

It should be different with public figures.

This thread's

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6499065&page=0

unfair. Why humiliate one unfortunate person when there are probably thousands of cheaters? Look up any marathon and U find multiple cheaters in minutes.

Policyy? If they email you as owners of this site, apologize or explain away the result, agree to be DQ'd, then you should delete the thread. IMO.

Public figures? Put a note on the thread at the start that says they made good.

By your logic, we shouldn't prosecute somebody caught shoplifting, since a criminal record can potentially ruin their lives and they are just unlucky, since 99% of shop-lifters aren't caught/prosecuted. Kara was targeted because she boasted about her result and had written on social media that she was planning on running Boston in 2016. She should continue to be dogged as she has denied cheating.

Give the alleged perpetrator time to rebut the charges. Everything after that is pitchfork nation ranting. Close the thread to new posts at that point.

Double intentionally did bad maths on the splits: he needed to make his point fit his level of outrage. His bad maths was outed by a RD.

DC Area Runner wrote:

Doubler - what happened to the other thread with the woman who cheated? Did the brojos delete it? The evidence was very compelling, nice work.

Bad Maths wrote:

Double intentionally did bad maths on the splits: he needed to make his point fit his level of outrage. His bad maths was outed by a RD.

What are you yammering on about? If you're talking about gun time versus split time, Doubler got it right as her online splits were based on her chip, not gun time. Even if they had been based on gun time, the cheating was still obvious.

wtwtf wrote:

Bad Maths wrote:

Double intentionally did bad maths on the splits: he needed to make his point fit his level of outrage. His bad maths was outed by a RD.

What are you yammering on about? If you're talking about gun time versus split time, Doubler got it right as her online splits were based on her chip, not gun time. Even if they had been based on gun time, the cheating was still obvious.

Wow, still on this? The troll from the other thread made a comment about my penis size and went away after he realized he was wrong and my splits were right. I'm sure this is the same guy with a different handle.

Bad Maths wrote:

Double intentionally did bad maths on the splits: he needed to make his point fit his level of outrage. His bad maths was outed by a RD.

DC Area Runner wrote:

Doubler - what happened to the other thread with the woman who cheated? Did the brojos delete it? The evidence was very compelling, nice work.

And the RD--or person with timing experience coroborated my splits..sayingyou would have to override defaults to base splits on gun time. In my experience I've never seen splits based on gun time.

I'd show you where you are wrong, but that thread is gone.

Doubler wrote:

wtwtf wrote:

What are you yammering on about? If you're talking about gun time versus split time, Doubler got it right as her online splits were based on her chip, not gun time. Even if they had been based on gun time, the cheating was still obvious.

Wow, still on this? The troll from the other thread made a comment about my penis size and went away after he realized he was wrong and my splits were right. I'm sure this is the same guy with a different handle.

Yeah, but how do we know you didn't purposely cheat on your penis size measurements?

There's nothing on your Datelinks profile to suggest you are that large.

I h8 cheaters wrote:

Doubler wrote:

Wow, still on this? The troll from the other thread made a comment about my penis size and went away after he realized he was wrong and my splits were right. I'm sure this is the same guy with a different handle.

Yeah, but how do we know you didn't purposely cheat on your penis size measurements?

There's nothing on your Datelinks profile to suggest you are that large.

Doubles perfect thread was erased, just as claims about his peepee size would be erased from sites such as Datelinks, eharmony, match.com, facebook, et. al. Cheaters/liars never prosper.

The trolls on here do good work. If someone is cheating or even suspected if cheating, tough, speculative questions most be asked.

Given the state of doping in the sport and the opaque level if information when professionals "go into the hills to train", perpetual suspicion is warranted. This is not a court room; get out of your mind that innocent until proven guilty applies here - it doesn't and shouldn't.

The moderators do a good job of monitoring the boards; and if a thread heats up for a couple hours without them noticing - too bad, you can't be everything everywhere everytime.

One possible solution that the site could use would be a form of flagging threads as very speculative like Wikipedia pages do that aren't well cited. This could take the form of an postfix to the title (ex: "Minimally Substanciated" in italics), some kind of disclaimer with the comment itself, and/or a coloring system (pink or orange for suspected speculation). These methods allow the comments to remain but give the public or casual reader enough information to know that it isn't hard facts but possibly opinion.

Why do you have such a hard-on for Doubler?

It's a little suspicious that your trolling began shortly after Kara became aware of this thread. Doubler was obviously the one who started the cheating allegations against her and she presumably has his personal identity if, as he said, she friended him on Facebook. I'd be surprised if she's as immature as you clearly are, but perhaps you're connected to her in some way?

I think the policy should be to keep a list of all cheaters and update regularly and perhaps post weekly or monthly list (name, the marathon they cheated in and date).

The only way off that list would be for the cheater to record a video of themselves apologizing for cheating and posting it. Nothing long or fancy, just an "I'm sorry I cheated at "x marathon" on "x date".

Otherwise, I think every week or month the running community should get a little reminder post.

I think it would do three things: (1) act as a deterrence (like John lists in the local paper); (2) encourage people to apologize; and (3) hopefully allow other to forgive.

If Mike Rossi posted a video of himself apologizing for what he did, I think most people could/would forgive him and move on.

wejo wrote:

In one I got last year, I wrote the brother back and said I'd be open to the idea of removing the thread if the person would just admit to cheating.

That's like saying.... wrote:

We'll let you clean up the crap in your pants, give you some clothes, turn off the air conditioner and let you go home tomorrow, if you'll just admit that you killed the President.

Wejo, you're just bullying people.

You pick victims, then beat them into submission.

Making up shit and telling people to confess to YOUR BS is ignorant.