Brady GUILTY in Inflategate

themanontherun wrote:

Not to mention that anyone who has ever driven over the speed limit is a criminal.

You apologists are funny. IF I speed, it doesn't cheat someone else out of the opportunity at millions of dollars or fame or a Super Bowl ring.

I guess LRC posters are at least consistent in their bad logic. If you read the report it says that there is no evidence the patriots ownership, coaching staff, OR TOM BRADY had any involvement or knowledge of the situation.........................but they were probably guilty. Wtf? It's just like all the geniuses on here stating unequivocally that so-and-so is a doper even after several tests have demonstrated otherwise. Bravo LRC I commend you.

Deflate It Down wrote:

OK, how long will it take Dial It Up to come back to Brady's defense?

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/long-awaited-deflate-gate-investigation-implicates-pats--tom-brady-173408354.html

Giselle says Tom deflates quickly.

Jerry Rice has admitted to using stickum on his gloves for the duration of his career, (which began in '85) despite it being illegal since 1981.

Aaron Rodgers has admitted to overinflating footballs to gain an advantage.

Multiple players have been penalized over the years for using non stick cooking spray on their jerseys, despite it being illegal.

Most of all--EVERY SINGLE NFL TEAM has at least a handful of active players guilty of Performance Enhancing Drug violations. In fact the SEATTLE SEAHAWKS LEAD THE LEAGUE in the number of PED violations since 2010 (ie. under Pete Carroll). You're telling me that fact alone isn't connected to their dominance?

The point being--EVERY team and EVERY player tries to gain a competitive edge--mostly they just push the boundaries of the rules, usually breaking them.

Maybe Brady should be penalized (he probably should, even though the report is pretty hazy about what actually happened), but this in no way should tarnish his legacy.

themanontherun wrote:

Apples to Apples wrote:

I hope everyone calling "cheat" here will also call every runner that:

1) Cuts in without a full stride (8 foot by rule)

2) Elbows out of a box

3) Moves to lane 2 to keep a runner out on a homestraight

cheaters as well. Everyone posting here should be in favor of Greunewald's DQ in indoors last yer. If you agree, that's totally cool; keep roasting Brady. If you do not, you are hypocrites.

(BTW- If you agreed with ROJO on not DQing the Kenyans for relay zone violation, same principle.)

Not to mention that anyone who has ever driven over the speed limit is a criminal.

Speeding isn't a criminal offense.

The balls were deflated. (11 of the 12 were illegal) The text messages show Brady wanted them to have less PSI. The person who was told this refers to himself as "The Deflator". It's obvious somethings up there.

The real question is how long has this been going on for…a deflated ball is easier to grip especially in outdoor games where weather may be less than ideal. Rather than looking at Brady's numbers people should be looking at fumbles or dropped pass percentages of his teammates. Being that they play half their games at home in a Stadium known for bad weather if RBs and WRs numbers in those regards are better than the league average for outdoor games then something was probably going on.

The Plain Truth wrote:

"More probable than not" is hardly the language someone uses if they have any kind of proof of guilt.

It's the threshold that the NFL has used in investigations for years. Come on, man.

What a massive moving of goalposts with the results of this report. Instead of making fun of how ridiculous it is to think that a ballboy would deflate the footballs in a bathroom, or how absurd it is to think that Tom would want them to do so, now it is all about everyone else who cheats.

No admission yet from Mundus that he was wrong - arguably the most adamant that there was no foul play involved.

Are you going to be a man and admit it or play Rossi and deflect, deflect, deflect?

It's not about everyone else who cheats, it's about putting things in perspective. The general response to this is insanely hypocritical. Putting aside the fact that this report is hazy at best in implicating Brady, the idea that this should tarnish his legacy is lunacy. To compare this offense to people like Lance Armstrong or Barry Bonds is just stupid.

Personally I think Brady did know about it and got caught and as such should be punished by the league. However it's unfortunate that the severity of the punishment will be more influenced by the timing than the actual infraction, as the NFL is seeking to reform it's image.

fartlekpas wrote:

It's not about everyone else who cheats, it's about putting things in perspective. The general response to this is insanely hypocritical. Putting aside the fact that this report is hazy at best in implicating Brady, the idea that this should tarnish his legacy is lunacy. To compare this offense to people like Lance Armstrong or Barry Bonds is just stupid.

Personally I think Brady did know about it and got caught and as such should be punished by the league. However it's unfortunate that the severity of the punishment will be more influenced by the timing than the actual infraction, as the NFL is seeking to reform it's image.

But perspective and hypocrisy is not what the focus was in January when the story arose. Go look back at the old threads.

I'm not saying he is the same as Lance or Barry either. I am saying that the goalposts have moved.

Goalposts usually move, if that's how you want to say it. The focus of a story generally changes as details emerge. That's nothing unique or even that interesting.

jewbacca wrote:

themanontherun wrote:

Not to mention that anyone who has ever driven over the speed limit is a criminal.

You apologists are funny. IF I speed, it doesn't cheat someone else out of the opportunity at millions of dollars or fame or a Super Bowl ring.

That's kind of the point of my analogy. There's nothing in the report that indicates that Brady requested the balls be deflated below league limit, there's nothing in any results line that suggests these actions cost any team anything (except maybe the Patriots, who it appears may have been dealing with OVERinflated balls for a large portion of the season when the ball boys were messing with Brady).

Read the texts by the ball-boys, and think about what you know about Tom Brady, and then ask yourself this question; do you think it more likely that these ball boys were incompetent a-holes, who took a legal request beyond legal limits and then Brady tried to cover it up, or do you think it more likely that Brady was systematically and intentionally having the balls deflated (a whopping one pound below the limit I might add, quel scandale!) for years on end with NO other team, teammate, organization member, or ref noticing?

fartlekpas wrote:

Putting aside the fact that this report is hazy at best in implicating Brady,

The report is written to avoid defamation lawsuits.

No, it isn't hazy. There's enough evidence to convince any non-Brady-a$$-licker that he was overseeing the deflating. I mean, the ballboy calls himself The Deflator. Come on.

It is not the same level of cheating as Lance Armstrong. But it is the same level of lying through his teeth. And if Brady would cheat and lie about something as stupid as ball PSI, you want to tell me he's too good for PEDs?

jewbacca wrote:

fartlekpas wrote:

Putting aside the fact that this report is hazy at best in implicating Brady,

The report is written to avoid defamation lawsuits.

If there's such clear evidence that cheating was going on, then it shouldn't be hard to write a clear report that would avoid defamation lawsuits simply by being true. The wording is not insignificant, no matter how much you wish it weren't.

old guy 69 wrote:

Why don't they just allow all quarterbacks to have the ball inflated to their liking?

Talking baseball, all batters aren't required to use the same bat.

The football must be within a specified range. The quarterback can choose a specific pressure within this range.

The bat must also be within a specified range. The batter can use any bat as long as it is wooden, non-corked, within the specified range for diameter and length, etc.

I'm certain that Brady refused to turn over his email and text communications because there was nothing at all incriminating on them and didn't want to waste the investigators' time.

jewbacca wrote:

themanontherun wrote:

Not to mention that anyone who has ever driven over the speed limit is a criminal.

You apologists are funny. IF I speed, it doesn't cheat someone else out of the opportunity at millions of dollars or fame or a Super Bowl ring.

Apologists Reasons:

1. Wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game vs. the Colts. True, but it's still cheating.

2. Other teams have piped in noise, etc. True, but it's still cheating.

3. All the other QBs do it. Probably true, but it's still cheating.

It's a slippery slope that the Pats have proven they will go down. From the text messages it's obvious this deflating of balls went on all year. Were they deflated under the legal limit? Who knows, but they were certainly deflated under the legal limit for the Colts game. I have no doubt the Colts game wasn't the first time it happened. In and of itself, this one game ball deflation is not a major issue. But adding in other factors-- Brady lied about it, it had been going on all season, the Patriots have had a previous disciplinary infraction, the game in question was the AFC title game-- and it should merit serious punishment. Whether or not that happens is another story.

otherdata wrote:

The balls were deflated. (11 of the 12 were illegal) The text messages show Brady wanted them to have less PSI. The person who was told this refers to himself as "The Deflator". It's obvious somethings up there.

The real question is how long has this been going on for…a deflated ball is easier to grip especially in outdoor games where weather may be less than ideal. Rather than looking at Brady's numbers people should be looking at fumbles or dropped pass percentages of his teammates. Being that they play half their games at home in a Stadium known for bad weather if RBs and WRs numbers in those regards are better than the league average for outdoor games then something was probably going on.

Looks like someone DID look into it. After Brady helped get the rule changed in 2007 (to allow teams to be in charge of their own balls) they basically stopped fumbling compared to any other team. Could they have been cheating since 2007?