Try a fishing website.
Try a fishing website.
Just read the summary and would say it is partly right
Fist a fish does feel something because as soon as it feels a hook it will try to spit it out. Contrary to the goldfish theory they also have a good memory as if you go to an unfished water the fish are much easier to catch
I used to match fish and would use the smallest possible hook and a 1lb trace at the end of the line as the fish would also feel thicker line in their mouth (remember water is often cloudy in ponds so the could not see it)
One thing they difffer is in their reaction once you strike and the hook impales. They instantly react to say this is not a pain reflex seems unlikely. However, using the old hook in a human mouth anology we would not start pulling in the opposite direction. A fish will 'run' pulling as hard as it can in the opposite direction. I would venture that a human would not respond in this way. A 1lb fish can pull incredibly hard expecially in some species like a tench
So whatever the study says from my years spent fishing every night i would say they fel paid but as there mouth is made of tougher material than ours that its not as intense or different from how it would feel to us.
Some fishing tips. Use as light a line and small a hook as possible and plumb the depth so you are fishing on the bottom. Fish is not fooled by a dangling object unless you are fishing a river.Don't have your float half out of the water the fish will feel it annd let the bait go.
New Mills & Disley Junior Champion 1980
Good post and I have to agree. On rare occasion, particularly when bait fishing, a fish might not react to a hook, but certainly when fishing with plastics or lures that's the case.
When I catch a good sized "trophy fish" I honestly have a good deal of respect for that fish. I release it carefully. I figure that fish has been around a number of years, it put up a good battle, and deserves a smooth respectful release. Now you could argue that the most respectful thing would be not to catch the fish at all and to just leave it alone. But then I wouldn't have had any interaction with that fish.
ukathleticscoach wrote:
Just read the summary and would say it is partly right
Fist a fish does feel something because as soon as it feels a hook it will try to spit it out.
The article doesn't claim fish don't feel anything. Just that it is likely false that they "have a conscious awareness of pain."
The article makes a reference to the pain response patients go through while under anesthesia. If a patient experiences pain while under general anesthesia, they have no conscious awareness of it, yet their body reacts to it. Heart and breathing rates go up and they can go into shock if the pain is great enough.
Since fish lack parts of the brain that are known to interpret pain signals, it is likely they similarly can show a pain response while being unaware of the experience of pain.
Smallmouth Bass love crayfish. I would think eating them would be more painful than a hook in the mouth.
I think fish feel very little to no pain when they are hooked properly. Their jaws are tough and the skin around it seems more like cartilage in that it is devoid of blood and I would assume nerves as well. It is not even close to the same as hooking a human through the cheek. Predatory fish eat all kinds of spiny and tough smaller fish and critters and their mouths are equipped to handle this.
Now, when a fish inhales a hook too deeply I can see that causing them pain. I hate it when I hook a fish in the tongue or deep in the mouth which causes bleeding. I try to avoid baits and techniques that lead to swallowed hooks.
Do fish feel pain when eaten alive by bigger fish?
digesting nemo wrote:
[quote]ukathleticscoach wrote:
Just read the summary and would say it is partly right
Fist a fish does feel something because as soon as it feels a hook it will try to spit it out.
The article doesn't claim fish don't feel anything. Just that it is likely false that they "have a conscious awareness of pain."
The article makes a reference to the pain response patients go through while under anesthesia. If a patient experiences pain while under general anesthesia, they have no conscious awareness of it, yet their body reacts to it.'
Maybe, but that does not fit in with my experience of fish. The react just a if you had lassoed a horse. They appear to consciously pull, run (swim) and try to get rid of it by jumping ploughing through weeds etc. They could be other complex processes things going on than just one part of the fishes brain. Automatic reaction would surely be just to spit out or jerk head. They know its in their mouth until they get rid of it and surely its part of the process of feeling food in their mouth?
Fish can be really intelligent. Someone released brown trout into a local pond. Soon they became impossible to catch by float - plus trout is one fish that likes to take food on the drop. So I cast out a really fine 1lb line, size 22 barbless hook with maggot, no weights - and at same time threw load of maggots. They all dropped together bang,bang ,bang all gone - except mine. Had to repeat about 20 times to catch one. Then you have to play it in on the fine line - not easy even on fish 3/4 - 1 lb.
ukathleticscoach wrote:
The react just a if you had lassoed a horse. They appear to consciously pull, run (swim) and try to get rid of it by jumping ploughing through weeds etc.
If you lasso a man he won't feel much pain but still he will "consciously pull, run (swim) and try to get rid of it by jumping ploughing through weeds etc.".
Who cares if they feel pain, stop being a human virus and let them live. Even if it didn't hurt me I reckon I'd be pretty pissed off if a flying hook came out of nowhere and dragged me into a lake where I couldn't breath.
neanderthal dream wrote:
questionable99 wrote:Did he say he was feeding himself? Don't invent evolution arguments.
Hunting and gathering is part of our evolutionary heritage whether or not one fishes to feed oneself or whether one fishes for pleasure. Stop feeling guilty for who you are.
If people were actually feeding themselves with needed food then I wouldn't have a problem. What bothers me is all the fat a$$holes that must have loads of meat on their plate to stuff their fat faces, and then only eat half of it and throw the rest away and not think twice about the death and sacrifice behind thier fat greedy lifestyle. That greed and waste causes many more animal lives than necessary. We don't live in a hunter-gatherer culture, we live in a sedentary factory-farming slaughter culture.
big men wrote:
Who cares if they feel pain, stop being a human virus and let them live. Even if it didn't hurt me I reckon I'd be pretty pissed off if a flying hook came out of nowhere and dragged me into a lake where I couldn't breath.
I'm sure a do-gooder like you don't even pull weeds.
If I saw a cheeseburger moving across on the dirty street and ran after it to eat it then I know what I am getting myself into.
Stupid fish. Worms don't swim.
study mentions that sharks cannot feel pain - just more verification for me to avoid the oceans (as I ALWAYS have)
the more you know
The fact is (sorry I have studied too much neuroscience and have strong opinions on this one) humans not only feel pain they also "feel suffering" as it relates to their Limbic system which is the most complex of all living creatures. In addition the human brain has a hundred billion nerve cells, a fish ten million at best. The complexity of the human brain and the pain response of the brain is then massively more complex than a fish. Not even in the same universe literally. I am not a "human ego maniac", just someone who knows a little about the nervous system of humans and can compare it to what we know about other animals. Human Nervous system = 100 billion Neurons = a Quadrillion number of synapses (connections) with multiple variability in those connections = infinity (mathematically). Most complex structure in the known universe. So yes the fish study is accurate and you can go about your fishing and also hunting for the most part without worrying about whether the animal feels pain like we humans do. Don't "humanize" everything. Just be responsible and conservation minded. Abuse is never a good thing!
I always see videos of bears murdering fish. They don't even use hooks! That is painful.
Bears = murderers
Mohawk1984 wrote:
In addition the human brain has a hundred billion nerve cells, a fish ten million at best.
It's not the number of nerve cells that matters, it's the density. Males with small penises are more sensitive than well-endowed males. Which in turn explains why liberals are so sensitive.
What des neuroscience say about what the worm feels. (Yes the lowly worm that no one cares about) It sure looks like its in pain when I stick a hook in it. (I actually rarely use them)
What does neuroscience say about what touch sensitive plants feel. (Yes the lowly plants that no one cares about) It sure looks like its in pain when I stick a finger into it.
Why r u sticking ur body parts in plants bro?
Bears don't do that.