If you could KNOW whether or not one runner doped/dopes, who would you pick?

MacRuaidhrigh wrote:

How can you choose just one?

There's such a bias towards athletics & cycling. You'd love to get the results for some of the major stars of the more mainstream sports. Lionel Messi, Novak Djokovic, Tiger Woods, LeBron James, Schalke Burger, Floyd Mayweather, etc.

That said, I'd love to know for certain whether or not David Rudisha is a god amongst men.

In terms of boxing (Floyd Mayweather Jr.) follow Victor Conte (BALCO) and Angel Herredia (aka Memo), who allegedly worked with Bolt.

Leading up to MayPac...it's been pretty entertaining.

Carl Lewis for me, just to confirm Ben was the winner regardless.

Carl is still in the closet. Don't expect him reveal anything.

rojo wrote:

None of my PRs equate to even faster than 30:00 for 10,000 equivalent. Weldon, my genetical equal whom I used to beat all the time in 9th grade, ran 28:06.

This proves what I say about the Kenyans succeeding due to skinniness, not genetics. It seems you ate all the food and Weldon grew up to be a skeleton. Of course he ran a faster 10,000, despite the same genes.

Bad Wigins wrote:

rojo wrote:

None of my PRs equate to even faster than 30:00 for 10,000 equivalent. Weldon, my genetical equal whom I used to beat all the time in 9th grade, ran 28:06.

This proves what I say about the Kenyans succeeding due to skinniness, not genetics. It seems you ate all the food and Weldon grew up to be a skeleton. Of course he ran a faster 10,000, despite the same genes.

Hasn't it occur to you that their skinniness might indeed come from genetics?

second vote for Pete Sherry. I just need to know if he did it clean!

Coe

Smelly Cat wrote:

Hasn't it occur to you that their skinniness might indeed come from genetics?

who?

some brojos are skinnier than others, and for the 10 millionth time,

Kenya, Ethiopia, Eritrea, all in the bottom 15. Somalia would be too if it were stable enough for statistics to exist.

This might be a dumb answer but hear me out. If a person who is doping cannot break the world record of any given event, then the world record holder of that event must be way more talented than the second fastest guy, or they are a doper as well. Even if a world record holder doesn't take any of the banned substances on the list, I know that they still take some kind of performance enhancing drug (take Yohan Blake for example). I have given up on this sport a long time ago. #ProudHobbyJogger

sdgfiydsgfudsf wrote:

This might be a dumb answer but hear me out. If a person who is doping cannot break the world record of any given event, then the world record holder of that event must be way more talented than the second fastest guy, or they are a doper as well. Even if a world record holder doesn't take any of the banned substances on the list, I know that they still take some kind of performance enhancing drug (take Yohan Blake for example). I have given up on this sport a long time ago. #ProudHobbyJogger

logic, have you heard of it?

This would be wasting one of the wishes the Genie offered: Justin Gatlin

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Ratcliffe - the Harry Potter actor? Doubt it.

Athletics Illustrated wrote:

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Nope. And you left out your comment.

Obviously radcliffe in my opinion the woman was on more drugs than a Mexican cartel

I'd like to know:

How much does a given type of doping help?

To what extent do individuals respond to any given type of doping?

To what extent does doping in the past affect non-doping current performance?

To what extent can mental strength improve performance compared to an identical athlete with less of it?

What are the limits of human achievement with doping methods and without them?

What performances are less remarkable than others because of the size of the talent pool?

Everyone talks glibly about doping as if it was a simple matter of injecting and performing. It is much more complex than that. And we know very little.

Paula Radcliffe's marathon world record is remarkable but is it because she had chemical help? Or chemical help when training? Or is it because she could push herself mentally harder than others? Or is it that not enough talented women do marathon at the elite level to guarantee that her time is remarkable given human physiology?

I don't know the answer.

According to Canova doping has no benefits.

Coach.. wrote:

if Geb is juiced Bekele is juiced

no way one is clean and the other dirty

my money says they've both been on the sauce the whole time to varying degrees depending on the state of drug testing at any time

there is too much money at stake for athlete and agents to be clean at that level

i have a theory that Bekele had an unofficial ban for 2 years. He disappeared for 2 years with an 'injury'

Smelly Cat wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

This proves what I say about the Kenyans succeeding due to skinniness, not genetics. It seems you ate all the food and Weldon grew up to be a skeleton. Of course he ran a faster 10,000, despite the same genes.

Hasn't it occur to you that their skinniness might indeed come from genetics?

Has is occured to you it might be because of a lack of big macs

Shaheen