And now it's nearly 10 teams in contention
And now it's nearly 10 teams in contention
What does Ches learn from this?
I'm so glad that Nova beat Oregon after Ches pulled that tactical bulls**t, he could've easily won the race if he went hard.
Holy shit! That race was ridiculous!!!
"Pat [Tiernan] came in," Williamsz said on NBC Sports. "All the boys ran perfect, exactly where they were meant to. I didn't know Ches was gonna not want to take it that bad. He really slowed just to a walk. I'm an 800 guy. I'm always gonna back myself in when it turns into an 800-meter race."
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Jonathan Gault wrote:
Holy shit! That race was ridiculous!!!
"Pat [Tiernan] came in," Williamsz said on NBC Sports. "All the boys ran perfect, exactly where they were meant to. I didn't know Ches was gonna not want to take it that bad. He really slowed just to a walk. I'm an 800 guy. I'm always gonna back myself in when it turns into an 800-meter race."
And then a teammate tpoook over the mike and yelled out, "They don't call him Jordan THRILLIamsz for nothing
rojo wrote:
Ches and Williamsz are anchoring for Oregon and Nova. It's two team race with 4oo to go on leg #3.
if I'm Williamsz I'd do ZERO WORK. Zero. make it as slow as possible.
ps. i'm glad Williamsz took my advice. In an 800, he's better than Ches. He ran that brillliantly. Windy as hell, make Ches win it from the front.
It's sort of like when Ches blows the doors off of 10k guys - he's go way more speed. Well Williamsz has more 800 speed than Ches.
Williamsz looked like he was boxed in on the final turn, but once he got out he exploded and reeled in Ches. He caught him at the top of the home stretch and went by with about 50 meters to go.
That race was absurd. They were basically jogging at the start of the anchor leg. The anchors were looking around acting confused and waiting for someone to take it.
RESULTS
PL SCHOOL/AFFILIATION MARK ATHLETES ID
1 Villanova 16:18.07 Sam McEntee (4:02.0), Robert Denault (4:01.4), Patrick Tiernan (4:01.1), Jordan Williamsz (4:13.6) AC
2 Oregon 16:18.93 Daniel Winn (4:01.7), Johnny Gregorek (4:01.7), Will Geoghegan (4:01.0), Edward Cheserek (4:14.5) AA
3 Stanford 16:20.44 Thomas Coyle (4:02.2), Erik Olson (4:01.8), Jack Keelan (4:04.3), Sean McGorty (4:11.2) AB
4 Georgetown 16:22.50 Darren Fahy (4:03.6), Collin Leibold (4:02.5), Ryan Gil (4:04.0), Ahmed Bile (4:12.4) AG
5 Wisconsin 16:24.01 Carl Hirsch (4:05.6), Malachy Schrobilgen (4:07.3), McKena Ramos (4:08.8), Joe Hardy (4:02.3) AJ
6 Penn 16:24.57 Chris Hatler, Thomas Awad, Nick Tuck, Clark Shurtleff AL
7 Oklahoma 16:24.62 Alex Deir, Jacob Burcham, Dylan Blankenbaker, Brandon Doughty AE
8 Indiana 16:28.57 Joshua Roche, Matthew Schwartzer, Kyle DuVall, Owen Skeete AM
9 Texas 16:35.16 Brady Turnbull, Mark Pinales, Craig Lutz, Logan Emery AH
10 Cornell 16:40.15 James Gowans, Ben Rainero, David Melly, Connor Herr AP
11 Columbia 16:44.83 Ben Ritz, Daniel Nestor, Marc Violone, Casey Adams AK
12 Dartmouth 16:54.22 Connor Clark, Silas Talbot, Joey Chapin, Curtis King AO
13 Buffalo 17:14.13 Tyler Scheving, Brian Crimmins, Cameron Bruce, Thomas Meehan AR
One random thought. My wife isn't a track person, but she is a sports person and understands the sport better than the announcers on NBCSN.
When they were going ga-ga over Cheserek with 200 to go, she was all into Williamsz. She was watching waht was happening not following a script - Ches is unbeaten.
I need to call Jimmy Wyner and Bruce Hyde and tell them their 4 x mile school record (1625 something) lives to see another day. I wish they split all the teams. Cornell was 8:03 at 2 legs beastly. I'll have to go back and watch the replay. I was telling an alum, "I hope the stack it fastest to slowest. " They did and had the lead on the 4th leg at one point. Made it fun to watch.
Would love to see all the 200m splits from that final leg. I'm all for tactical racing because of how exciting it can be (that was an incredible finish) but practically stopping on the track is going too far
Splits wrote:
Would love to see all the 200m splits from that final leg. I'm all for tactical racing because of how exciting it can be (that was an incredible finish) but practically stopping on the track is going too far
Totally agree. Sit and kick is part of racing. But that part where the leaders almost stopped was turning this race into a farce.
Just a reminder that the 200m splits are not taken from what you think is the 200m line with the numbers. It's about 10-15m back. The finish line is about 3/4 up the straight away.
This is the fifth time in less than a year that Cheserek has been outkicked by another collegian:
Pac 12 1500m by Lalang
NCAA 5000m by Lalang
Pac 12 XC by Korolev
NCAA 3000i by Jenkins
Penn 4xMile by Williamsz
He can blow people away but he's also vulnerable to an opponent who is fresh enough to have a max kick because he gets awkward with the arm flail.
Jonathan Gault wrote:
Splits wrote:Would love to see all the 200m splits from that final leg. I'm all for tactical racing because of how exciting it can be (that was an incredible finish) but practically stopping on the track is going too far
Totally agree. Sit and kick is part of racing. But that part where the leaders almost stopped was turning this race into a farce.
It really felt like watching veledrome track or something.
Obviously I am a Villanova fan, but the announcers called it embarrassing, and many other things, the only guy who had any obligation to even maybe keep it going was Cheserek, Williamzs got it behind, and should never lead anyway.
It was not an 800M race though but a 250 M one, one that Cheserek was leading and Williamzs appeared boxed badly, he was flying unbelievably. . Yesterday Cheserek won the same kind of situation really. Today Jordy turned the tables.
Cheserek ran silly actually, at his level he should be able to control a moderately paced mile and still win. A Famous former Coach actually said it was nothing short of silly by him.
If nothing else Ches created a possible bizarre traffic scenario for him as well.
I actually thought it was exciting, but then again I do not need fast anymore to see exciting racing, I do get why some would.
abacused wrote:
He can blow people away but he's also vulnerable to an opponent who is fresh enough to have a max kick because he gets awkward with the arm flail.
My high school coach used to say, "The thing about big kickers is they get beat by other big kickers."
LM wrote:
It really felt like watching veledrome track or something.
Exactly. And I don't see anything wrong with that. I don't think cycling fans complain about it, it's just part of the sport. Why do track fans have an expectation that athletes run as fast as they can? That's just not the way it works when the goal is to win. Can't believe people in the stadium would boo the athletes who are competing -- they are under no obligation to run fast for you. And personally I'd much rather watch that race, one of the most exciting I've ever seen, than an honest 16:03 where Ches walks away at the end.
Snowpocalypse wrote:And personally I'd much rather watch that race, one of the most exciting I've ever seen, than an honest 16:03 where Ches walks away at the end.
What makes you so sure Queen Chessie was going to walk away at the end of a 16:03?
Exactly Malmo, Jordy was actually in a worse spot than yesterday, boxed AND meters behind and still exploded by him.
I really believe there may have been no different result today , slow or fast on last leg.
Trialswatcher wrote:
Rojo, HOW was that going to end?
I presume you thought Cranny would win, you could tell by watching she had a good chance to get beat and she did easily, you were not even close.
I'm trying to calm down. That was funny hahahaaaaa
The announcers are bad. They totally missed that Penn state is running a man short and is out of it after leg #1