Again the Stockolm marathon has reversed course and abandoned its xenophobic idea.
To be fair... wrote:
I'm just repeating what someone wrote earlier:
There are two championships in this one race. Within the race there is the swedish championship and the nordic championship. The swedish championship has always been there, while the nordic is new.
The idea was to give price money only to the top finishers in these championships. Previous years they have invited unknown, decent foreign runners. They have probably given them a fee just for their appearance, and some of them have also ended up with the price money. This year they are not gonna invite any runners except for the scandinavian national squads. They probably figured this would be enough for the audience, since, believe it or not, there are sub 2.20-runners in scandinavia as well. It would also mean that there would be an actual championship race, instead of having every second runner in the front being a non-participant.
Personally, I think the idea of a nordic championship is stupid. But it is what it is. Since they're gonna have it, they might as well do it right. And even though they've changed their minds about the price money, I still don't think they are gonna invite any other elite runners, so there still won't be any non-scandinavians who don't get any price money. IMO, this whole thing doesn't mean shit.
It is indeed true that some leagues limit foreigners. But what they do not do is discriminate by paying foreigners less or not paying them at all.
There are no sports anymore where anyone is barred from anything because of their race, so partly no. There are many sports which place limits on foreign participation. The Japanese, Korean, and Taiwanese baseball leagues limit the number of foreign players (read American players) on each team's roster. Professional basketball leagues outside the US pretty much all have limits on how many foreign players each team can have on their rosters. The Canadian Football League does the same.
It's always done because the leagues think that a roster of foreigners, who in nearly all these cases would be Americans, would diminish fan interest and because professional leagues filled with foreigners would prevent development of domestic talent. Of course we'd consider all of these to be "minor leagues." But the same is probably true of the Stockholm Marathon
The European runner has not disappeared because of East Africans. He has disappeared for a number of reasons including:
What we have seen in the era of the East African runner, is the near complete disappearance of high level European distance running. Maybe that would have happened anyway but it's not unreasonable to think the two things could be related. If they are related, you could argue that while the African Era hasn't hurt big city marathons it has hurt European performance running. IF you think that might be true and you want to do something about it, a reasonable approach might be to try something along the lines of what the European basketball leagues do and limit foreign competition. If you think that might be true and you maintain the same system that's been in place for a couple decades there is no reason to think high level running will resurrect itself.
I don't know if limiting foreigners is a good solution or not and evidently the Stockholm Marathon is backing away from it. But I thought it was an interesting idea and would have been interesting to see how it played out. I also don't quite get why this sort of thing has gone on in the US for many years with little in the line of complaints but when it's tried in Europe people get worked up if it happens in running but not if it happens in basketball.
Yeah and Chris Derrick is shinning light of American distance running.
First, the Europeans give up competing in world xc, because they aren't any good, and they aren't any good because they don't think they can ever compete with East Africans.
Now, they (the race organizers) decide they'll give their inferior runners the only prize money, regardless of whether they win.
Thats not the reason Americans are doing well. How do you explain the likes of Brenda Martinez and Ajee Wilson, Shannon Rowbury, Jenniffer Simpson. Clearly something else is at play.
Again, maybe. Those reasons are speculative as are any others. But it may be more than just coincidence that the US does have races where only US runners can win money and the US is really the most successful developed country now at distance running.
Sweden simply does not have any pedigree when it comes to distance running. Local only prize money will likely not change that.
If I were in charge of improving the performances of marathon runners in a European country I think I'd believe that something major needs to change and one place I might look to is at the basketball leagues which seem to believe that the sport is healthier when there are restrictions placed on the number of better foreign players in each team. I'd think that if we just kept doing the same things we've done for a decade or two as our performances erode we're not likely to see performances improve.
If they aren't white and don't speak English, then they don't have personalities. Got it.
Barakus Obama wrote:
I often find following college races more interesting than some international races, with a bunch of runners with no personality, more interesting even though the time is slower.
You just mentioned a bunch of dudes who were born around 1917. During this period, most African countries did not even exist as a separate entity. This explains why Europeans dominated back then. There was scarcely any African competition.
Arne Andersson? Gunder Hagg? Anders Garderud? Tommy Persson? Kjell-Erik Stahl? No pedigree?
Anyway, different people want different thing. If I were a Swede I'd be interested in seeing what happens if something different was tried for a while.