Matthew Maton runs 3:42.54 1500!

Exactly what I was saying.. I would say Coach Milt is doing a great job there in a short amount of time.

I\'m laughing MFAO over this Coach B guy. \"Trust me, I know what I\'m talking about\"...it\'s classic. I\'ve read this board long enough to recall how often he makes this outrageous \"guarantees\", then disappears when proven wrong--and it happens often. But...this \"full mile\" versus Coach B\'s 1600 meter mile takes the cake. What a buffoon. If he truly is coaching, it has to be at some low level high school, and the kids must be laughing behind his back.

I don't think you guys understand how insane this is. I know two HS coaches of big schools, ran at NXN, that make this coach poster look smart. I get statements like, "The 3200 means the 2 mile." The digit 2 in (3200) indicates the 2 mile. A CC course that is way short. I ask what is up, they say its a 5000. I say bull, pull out the pedometers, the course is about a quarter mile short! Then it hits me, they measured 5000 yards! They say "its about the same your talking inches!" I'll stop, but I haven't even started with what we go through, with many HS coaches,

MI Strong wrote:

age wrote:

he is 18. Born in 1996. He JUST TURNED 18 ON MARCH 28, 1996!!!

Maton is 19 year old and is essentially 13 months older than Fisher.

That is a significant difference. Much like Ches's age difference throughout high school and now in college. Age alone can have a significant impact at the elite level. Thus results are tainted.

Why is Maton already 19? Was he a dummy who was held back a year in school?

coach B wrote:

Ever since then our scholar athletes have run the 1600 mile rather than the full mile

There's no such thing as a 1600 meter mile.

There's a 1609.344 meter mile.

Maybe that's what you're talking about but it's a mile, not 1600 meters.

Kurt55 wrote:

Why is Maton already 19? Was he a dummy who was held back a year in school?

Labeling a child a dummy solely because you think there is something odd about being a 19 year old senior is at the least odd and most likely an indication of your immaturity and lack of critical thinking skills.

I know a set of identical twins one born before midnight and one after on the enrollment cut off date for their school district. A simple conversation with school officials permitted them to enroll the same year. I do not know if it was the earlier or later date that was picked. There are any number of circumstances that could be involved. Their parents threw two separate birthday parties for them and I always though that was a cool thing to do.

Thinking about this today I did a quick internet search record seems to be 87 days between births and a couple of examples of split Bdays

non-parent wrote:

Kurt55 wrote:

Why is Maton already 19? Was he a dummy who was held back a year in school?

Labeling a child a dummy solely because you think there is something odd about being a 19 year old senior is at the least odd and most likely an indication of your immaturity and lack of critical thinking skills.

I know a set of identical twins one born before midnight and one after on the enrollment cut off date for their school district. A simple conversation with school officials permitted them to enroll the same year. I do not know if it was the earlier or later date that was picked. There are any number of circumstances that could be involved. Their parents threw two separate birthday parties for them and I always though that was a cool thing to do.

The most likely answer is that he is a knucklehead. He will be joining a long list of other age cheating geniuses at eugene clown kollege: LV, rupp, grampa ches, pepiot

J.R. wrote:

coach B wrote:

Ever since then our scholar athletes have run the 1600 mile rather than the full mile

There's no such thing as a 1600 meter mile.

There's a 1609.344 meter mile.

Maybe that's what you're talking about but it's a mile, not 1600 meters.

I know your type, because you are a lot like some of the young men I coach. They read a so-called fact on the internet, and suddenly they're an expert.

Truth be told, I was a bit of a know-it-all myself when I was younger, so I'm not going to be too hard on you, but I should tell you that I've been in this game for quite a while -- this aint my first rodeo.

In my role as a coach, I have two jobs:

My first job is to prepare the young men and women who wear our school colors to compete (and you may notice that I said "compete" rather than "win." Give me the athlete who lays it all on the line, win or lose, and I'm satisfied either way).

The second, more important job I have is as a molder of men.

My high school coach was like a second father to me, and I play the same role in the lives of my athletes. When they come to me as freshmen, they are children. By the time they hand off the baton in their last relay, senior year, they are young adults, and I'd like to think that they benefit from the wisdom that I impart to them and the example I set.

I've had more alums and upper classmen than I can count, come up to me and say, "You know something, I didn't want to listen to you at the time, but it turns out you were right, Coach B." (or something to that effect)

So I'll explain this once, and you can either learn from someone who has been around the block, or we can agree to disagree. Either way, it's no skin off my face.

Sometimes a word means more than one thing. You might think that a dollar is always a dollar, right? But what about a Canadian dollar? See what I mean? It's almost the same, but not quite. It's got more colors, and a picture of a lady on it, and it's not quite worth as much. Same with the 1600 mile.

We just had our county meet and I had the opportunity to spend some time on a conference call with three other well respected head track and field coaches in preparation for the meet. One of them has probably been coaching since before you were born. This particular coach mentioned that one of his athletes had broken the 4:40 barrier at an invitational. IMMEDIATELY, the rest of us chimed in to congratulate him, but also to ask if it was in a 1600 or a full mile. Now, you may wonder, did this gentleman (who has probably forgotten more about the sport than you'll ever know) say "What do you mean, 'full mile?' I've never heard of such a thing." No. He did not.

He knew exactly what we were talking about, because, as is the case with us, his milers usually run the 1600 mile -- that's the type of mile we run in every dual meet, every county championship, every conference championship, every regional championship, and if one of them makes it one day, in the state championship.

So you may think you are smarter than the combined wisdom of all the high school coaches in our county, but in point of fact the full mile (which you seem to think is the only type of mile that exists) is actually like an 8-track tape. Some people still listen to them, but they are a thing of the past. Same with the full mile. If you surveyed 100 people who REALLY know about T&F (Track and Field) in America, and asked them how far they would be running if they were entered in a mile race, 99 out of 100 of them would say 1600 meters.

Word to the wise -- next time, think before you post.

Coach B

The phrase "tortured logic" comes to mind.

coach B wrote:

Word to the wise -- next time, think before you post.

Take your own advice. Everyone talking to you during the thread tried to point out that you were wrong, and it took you forever to realize it, and only people laid it out for you very clearly did you catch on that they were talking about a sub 4 mile, you know, because that's the historic mark.

For all your years, you haven't learned much.

A 3:42.54 1500m is not a sub 4 mile equivalent. Period.

Good grief

methinks thou dost protest too much

MI Strong wrote:

age wrote:

he is 18. Born in 1996. He JUST TURNED 18 ON MARCH 28, 1996!!!

Maton is 19 year old and is essentially 13 months older than Fisher.

That is a significant difference. Much like Ches's age difference throughout high school and now in college. Age alone can have a significant impact at the elite level. Thus results are tainted.

It is not that uncommon for elite H.S. athletes to be a year older than their grade; t&f is the only sport that really talks about it. I agree there is a difference between a H.S. 18 versus a 19 year, but a H.S. 19 YO is not equal to 19 YO freshmen at a major university.

TrackCoach wrote:

MI Strong wrote:

Maton is 19 year old and is essentially 13 months older than Fisher.

That is a significant difference. Much like Ches's age difference throughout high school and now in college. Age alone can have a significant impact at the elite level. Thus results are tainted.

It is not that uncommon for elite H.S. athletes to be a year older than their grade; t&f is the only sport that really talks about it. I agree there is a difference between a H.S. 18 versus a 19 year, but a H.S. 19 YO is not equal to 19 YO freshmen at a major university.

Agreed.

19? old af. I was a junior in college at 19. unfair

That is what you get for being a smarty pants!

wtf67676 wrote:

19? old af. I was a junior in college at 19. unfair

To add to the mix.....1609.344/1500 x 222.54 = 238.76 secs, so at even pace he can afford to lose over 1.2 secs in the last 100m and still break 4. I'd call this a sub-4.

Thank you for this post. I just got back from running my 6400 meter mile easy run. It's refreshing to read a post from a true genius such as yourself despite being surrounded by the sea of idiots on LR. Please continue

It is ridiculous to allow people 2 to 10 years older than normal compete. You have 28 year old grampa ches competing against 16 year old high schoolers. You have 16 year old LV competing against 12 year old middle schoolers.

A year difference is big. Two years is huge.

I didn't understand at the time, but I experienced it first hand. I was a 16 year old high school senior. i was talented enough to be many times a state champion, but an extra two years or two of age would have meant the difference between running a 4:14 mile and a 4:04 mile. Anybody who doesn't think that there would have been so many more scholarship offers because of that is crazy. It would have meant a lot to me and my family.

College coaches care 95% about PRs when they recruit. If I had a kid looking for a scholarship, I'd hold them back two or even three years.