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Is that goat really holding on to the guy??
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Neutral Observertard wrote:
Africa wrote:
Morocco is part of Africa, they partake in African Championships in Athletics and have hosted it.
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Neutral Observertard wrote:
Africa wrote:
Morocco is part of Africa, they partake in African Championships in Athletics and have hosted it.
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DubbleDutch wrote:
Hermiens will be next, Rosas and Van der Veen are so obvious it is silly. The Kenyan ship will sink further with the Other Italians getting busted. Ethiopia won't let testers in - there is a problem there than greatly exceeds that in Kenyan
True. The E. Africans in general have been avoiding out of season testing and spot tests for decades. It's a joke, it's ruined the sport in many ways. They have a lot of talent, but they also have a lot, scores, of cheats. Combine this with the obvious age cheating in the junior ranks and it's a worse problem than most people realize. Time will tell if the sport can be repaired.
Rosa and Hermens are two of the dirtiest sob's in the sport. It's a shame what they've gotten away with. Geb? Talented. Doped to the gills. He and his cohorts running sub 13 to finish up that 10k. LOL -
agip wrote:
Dope Hard, Win Easy wrote:
Bargor wrote:
I disagree with you on that, with a few positive test of late, Kenya is still a power house in athletics and it's success can't Just be because they dope.
Maybe Kenyan success isn't ENTIRELY based on dope, but it's also impossible to say exactly how good they "really" are. We don't know when the rot set in. There seems to be a common argument that the Kenyans may be doping, but they'd be the best runners anyway if everyone was clean, so it doesn't make much difference. But what if almost all the examples of fast Kenyan runners from the last 20 years, on whom we based that reasoning, were doped? What if the use of EPO, etc, is as widespread in Kenya as some claim? Then the same argument looks kind of circular: Kenyans may be doping, but they'd be the best anyway, because look at all the really fast doped runners they had in the past.
It'll be interesting to see if this latest news amounts to anything.
Question: How many top Kenyan men have tested positive? I believe the answer is zero.
Question 2: How many top Kenyan women have tested positive? I believe the answer is one.
Sure out of competition testing isn't as rigorous over there, but come on - let's not make giant assumptions here that they all dope.
Political Correctness saved Lagat when he tested positive. Those of us who worked in the media when Ngeny "won" his gold in the 1500 are well aware of the shenanigans that went on when he tested positive for PEDs, and the IAAF and IOC pushed it under the rug "for the good of the sport" and because Kenya is such a poor country. This happens a lot for certain third world countries and athletes, such as Cuba, Kenya, Ethiopia etc. Ngeny's performances dropped off, and that was blamed on an auto accident. Sure. Anything you say buddy. -
Sturgeon General wrote:
agip wrote:
Dope Hard, Win Easy wrote:
Bargor wrote:
I disagree with you on that, with a few positive test of late, Kenya is still a power house in athletics and it's success can't Just be because they dope.
Maybe Kenyan success isn't ENTIRELY based on dope, but it's also impossible to say exactly how good they "really" are. We don't know when the rot set in. There seems to be a common argument that the Kenyans may be doping, but they'd be the best runners anyway if everyone was clean, so it doesn't make much difference. But what if almost all the examples of fast Kenyan runners from the last 20 years, on whom we based that reasoning, were doped? What if the use of EPO, etc, is as widespread in Kenya as some claim? Then the same argument looks kind of circular: Kenyans may be doping, but they'd be the best anyway, because look at all the really fast doped runners they had in the past.
It'll be interesting to see if this latest news amounts to anything.
Question: How many top Kenyan men have tested positive? I believe the answer is zero.
Question 2: How many top Kenyan women have tested positive? I believe the answer is one.
Sure out of competition testing isn't as rigorous over there, but come on - let's not make giant assumptions here that they all dope.
Political Correctness saved Lagat when he tested positive. Those of us who worked in the media when Ngeny "won" his gold in the 1500 are well aware of the shenanigans that went on when he tested positive for PEDs, and the IAAF and IOC pushed it under the rug "for the good of the sport" and because Kenya is such a poor country. This happens a lot for certain third world countries and athletes, such as Cuba, Kenya, Ethiopia etc. Ngeny's performances dropped off, and that was blamed on an auto accident. Sure. Anything you say buddy.
again, I'm talking about the current era. Lagat tested poz in 2003. -
If (hypothetically) you were really a journalist, and you really had evidence that Ngeny was doping, and you really didn't present those facts to the running community, then you are just as guilty as the IAAF and the IOC.
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Kalashnikov wrote:
Seems like all the top Kenyans save Rudisha are splashed by this taint.
Hah! Splashed by taint! -
"Just relaxin...how was I to know?"
""Bing bang I saw the whole Gang!"...They was a Movin' and a groovin'!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KmKkV3ddAo
Tainted wrote:
Kalashnikov wrote:
Seems like all the top Kenyans save Rudisha are splashed by this taint.
Hah! Splashed by taint! -
Bargor wrote:
shipping in a testing kit doesn't prove otherwise, but we need to respect that of him and sorry, anyone could have done that especially When one of your greats has doped, you fine yourself not believing anyone. Rosa has invested tremendously in Kenyan athletics and bringing in a testing kit is understood. I personally thank him for wanting to be part of making the sport clean.
Ken, you seem like a nice trusting fella, unlike some of us here on the LRMB. We're a jaded cynical lot, often with good reason, because we've heard these sort of statements many times before and found out it was all BS. Some of us would argue that Rosa is bringing in a "testing kit" so his athletes don't get pinged because they've stuffed up their PED protocols.
You're right "Rosa has invested tremendously in Kenyan athletics...", so would he say or do anything to protect that investment? Rightly or wrongly there just seems to be something really suspicious about Italian agents, doctors and coaches. -
Rosa's Investment wrote:
[quote]Bargor wrote:
because we've heard these sort of statements many times before and found out it was all BS. .
go on...for example? -
You will see someday wrote:
DubbleDutch wrote:
Hermiens will be next, Rosas and Van der Veen are so obvious it is silly. The Kenyan ship will sink further with the Other Italians getting busted. Ethiopia won't let testers in - there is a problem there than greatly exceeds that in Kenyan
True. The E. Africans in general have been avoiding out of season testing and spot tests for decades. It's a joke, it's ruined the sport in many ways. They have a lot of talent, but they also have a lot, scores, of cheats. Combine this with the obvious age cheating in the junior ranks and it's a worse problem than most people realize. Time will tell if the sport can be repaired.
Rosa and Hermens are two of the dirtiest sob's in the sport. It's a shame what they've gotten away with. Geb? Talented. Doped to the gills. He and his cohorts running sub 13 to finish up that 10k. LOL
Ok so, Hermens and Geb are rotten you ... so tell us how you know this. A a hunch? Disbelief in his performances? Do you have a personal connection to the sport that placed you in a position to know this first or at least second hand? Or are you just pontificating from the sidelines. I would seriously like to know how you know Geb is a cheater. -
JR's an idiot. wrote:
J.R. wrote:
Is that goat really holding on to the guy??
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10885272_306013682941235_3166614048504685935_n.jpg?oh=5ccd4a2c4a79d750e8e4ba7733490725&oe=55DD53E8
Only an idiot like you JR would ask a question like that.
Well I'm not that familiar with goats. -
atlantabn wrote:
Rosa's Investment wrote:
[quote]Bargor wrote:
because we've heard these sort of statements many times before and found out it was all BS. .
go on...for example?
Have you been living under a log for the last 30 years? Do your own research idiot. -
J.R. wrote:
Well I'm not that familiar with goats.
different to the rumors going around here -
Dieter's Toothpaste wrote:
atlantabn wrote:
Rosa's Investment wrote:
[quote]Bargor wrote:
because we've heard these sort of statements many times before and found out it was all BS. .
go on...for example?
Have you been living under a log for the last 30 years?
No, he's 14 years old. -
rumors wrote:
J.R. wrote:
Well I'm not that familiar with goats.
different to the rumors going around here
in JRs similar goat photo the roles are reversed -
agip wrote:
Sturgeon General wrote:
agip wrote:
Dope Hard, Win Easy wrote:
Bargor wrote:
I disagree with you on that, with a few positive test of late, Kenya is still a power house in athletics and it's success can't Just be because they dope.
Maybe Kenyan success isn't ENTIRELY based on dope, but it's also impossible to say exactly how good they "really" are. We don't know when the rot set in. There seems to be a common argument that the Kenyans may be doping, but they'd be the best runners anyway if everyone was clean, so it doesn't make much difference. But what if almost all the examples of fast Kenyan runners from the last 20 years, on whom we based that reasoning, were doped? What if the use of EPO, etc, is as widespread in Kenya as some claim? Then the same argument looks kind of circular: Kenyans may be doping, but they'd be the best anyway, because look at all the really fast doped runners they had in the past.
It'll be interesting to see if this latest news amounts to anything.
Question: How many top Kenyan men have tested positive? I believe the answer is zero.
Question 2: How many top Kenyan women have tested positive? I believe the answer is one.
Sure out of competition testing isn't as rigorous over there, but come on - let's not make giant assumptions here that they all dope.
Political Correctness saved Lagat when he tested positive. Those of us who worked in the media when Ngeny "won" his gold in the 1500 are well aware of the shenanigans that went on when he tested positive for PEDs, and the IAAF and IOC pushed it under the rug "for the good of the sport" and because Kenya is such a poor country. This happens a lot for certain third world countries and athletes, such as Cuba, Kenya, Ethiopia etc. Ngeny's performances dropped off, and that was blamed on an auto accident. Sure. Anything you say buddy.
again, I'm talking about the current era. Lagat tested poz in 2003.
This is a story that Al Jazeera put out two years ago:
A wealthy businessman, Kiptanui last year stopped coaching to focus on his large dairy business.
He said several athletes have told him they can buy banned substances at chemist shops in the Rift Valley towns of Eldoret and Kapsabet.
One top foreign agent told Reuters how a low level athlete he did not represent phoned him for advice over what constitutes doping after a doctor from Eldoret offered to conduct a blood transfusion for him.
http://www.aljazeera.com/sport/athletics/2013/08/201381011535328826.html
That was 8 people and two years ago. Track and Field News a couple of months ago linked a Kenya media article that mentioned that 30 Kenyans had tested positive in the last 2 years.. You cannot even compare this number with sprinters (Gay and his coach, Powell, Sherone Simpson). This is on the same scale as all the athletes that have EVER tested positive in USA Track and Field (it is far worse than Balco ever was), and it doesn't even count the Russians, Turks, Salazar and is slimy crew.... You can only compare this with Tour De France (more endurance "athletes").
Is there a SINGLE elite distance runner that is clean? At this point I doubt it, and if you think any of Salazar's crew are clean, you aren't playing with a full deck. Look at the people they beat and apply the Lance test. -
Hide email address from others wrote:
He didn't 'Hide e-mail address from others' when he posted.
https://www.facebook.com/kipsangbargor/info?tab=page_info
Nice to have Kenyans involved in the sport posting.
Seems he did ? He did use his last name as a UserID though. -
This article by AIPS makes clear that some politics might be involved http://www.aipsmedia.com/index.php?page=news&cod=16202&tp=n#.VSzAo0rCS73
Volare Sports cliënt Wilson Kipsang leads a union-like group that urges Kiplagat to resign.
