Anyone else disgusted by officiating in NCAA final tonight?

Dial it up wrote:

This is like trying to explain optics to people who dont even comprehend basic math.

So you've got nothing. Cool.

Going back to my original post. Can the Duke supporters please explain their coach leaving the floor at halftime and answering the question of how they need to improve with: "We need the other team to get called for more fouls and us to be called for less." To an outsider Arizona fan like me that is saying: "I own the refs and have thrown enough F bombs their way that things will turn around for us, watch and see!" That is a very tough program to like unless a true fan.

Also no one has answered how Allen can fully extend his off arm into the chest of his defender on any and all drives to create space and not be called once. He could have been called for 8-10 offensive fouls. I am not saying he "should have," but "could have."

klower wrote:

Wisconsin . They got frustrated and fouled.

The 5 out of 6 fouls were called when Wisco was leading. Why would they be frustrated leading the game?

Did you even watch the game?

Every coach wants fewer fouls on his team and more on the opposition. Did you seriously not know that?

Yutre wrote:

Dial it up wrote:

This is like trying to explain optics to people who dont even comprehend basic math.

So you've got nothing. Cool.

The NCAA has come out and said they blew the out of bounds calls. That was a MINIMUM of a 5 point swing in the game.

Since you can't even comprehend this, I am not going to go into the 5 fouls in 6 possessions with the lead because its beyond your brain.

You talk out of your ass when you make assumptions about people you don't even know. I understand that you are rationalizing because of your own inadequacies. Instead try making a rational argument and people may no longer consider you a douchebag. Good luck.

Dial it up wrote:

Yutre wrote:

So you've got nothing. Cool.

The NCAA has come out and said they blew the out of bounds calls. That was a MINIMUM of a 5 point swing in the game.

Since you can't even comprehend this, I am not going to go into the 5 fouls in 6 possessions with the lead because its beyond your brain.

A minimum of a 5 point swing? Please. All that meant was that Duke inbounded the ball instead of Wisconsin. Maybe basketball is new to you but you don't score points by inbounding the ball and no points were taken off the scoreboard like they were on that atrocious charge call against Wisconsin on Saturday in connection with a 3. How many point swing would it have been if the ball went to Okafor on the inbounds and he then proceeded to commit a charge and foul out? No doubt it was a blown call but it's not like Wisconsin did a whole lot of things right in the next 1:53 and it's also not like there weren't blown calls against Duke late in the game (how about the blatant intentional foul by Frank the Tank on Okafor? I'm glad they didn't call it an intentional foul but it clearly was one).

Yutre wrote:

You talk out of your ass when you make assumptions about people you don't even know. I understand that you are rationalizing because of your own inadequacies. Instead try making a rational argument and people may no longer consider you a douchebag. Good luck.

It's common to think people who are above you are douchebags. Based on what you say and the fact that you still use the term douchebag I am not making assumptions, just pointing out facts.

And I figured you wouldn't have anything to say once I pointed out to you the ncaa said they screwed up....

If they never inbound the ball how many points do they score? Zero. Instead they scored 5.

Bo Knows Whining.

Can you point me to the rule that provides for a 5-point play? I wasn't aware of this. I'm being to realize that the reason why so many people think the refs handed the game to Duke is that we have an extreme amount of morons out there who don't understand very basic concepts.

Dial it up wrote:

Yutre wrote:

You talk out of your ass when you make assumptions about people you don't even know. I understand that you are rationalizing because of your own inadequacies. Instead try making a rational argument and people may no longer consider you a douchebag. Good luck.

It's common to think people who are above you are douchebags. Based on what you say and the fact that you still use the term douchebag I am not making assumptions, just pointing out facts.

And I figured you wouldn't have anything to say once I pointed out to you the ncaa said they screwed up....

It's sad that you had to rely on the NCAA to tell you the refs missed the call. Those of us who actually watched the game knew that as soon as it happened. But then we really shouldn't expect much insight from a self-proclaimed douchebag expert.

Well if the replay showed that the Duke player touched the ball before it went out of bounds, it should have been Wisconsin's ball. Simple as that.

maineman wrote:

Can you point me to the rule that provides for a 5-point play? I wasn't aware of this. I'm being to realize that the reason why so many people think the refs handed the game to Duke is that we have an extreme amount of morons out there who don't understand very basic concepts.

I'm guessing he is referring to the 5 points Duke scored on the two possessions they wouldn't have gotten if the officials were competent. Then again very basic concepts can be tough for Duke guys...

Dial it up wrote:

This is like trying to explain optics to people who dont even comprehend basic math.

Optics isn't the best example for complex applications of math, until you get into really advanced stuff. Most optics are explained with only a few simple equations based around geometry and material properties.

Dial it up wrote:

maineman wrote:

Can you point me to the rule that provides for a 5-point play? I wasn't aware of this. I'm being to realize that the reason why so many people think the refs handed the game to Duke is that we have an extreme amount of morons out there who don't understand very basic concepts.

I'm guessing he is referring to the 5 points Duke scored on the two possessions they wouldn't have gotten if the officials were competent. Then again very basic concepts can be tough for Duke guys...

That's not a "5-point swing" but thanks for trying to play. I'm curious, in your world, how many "point swing" was it when the Tank intentionally fouled Okafor but only got called for a shooting foul that only resulted in Okafor making the FG but missing the FT? Would that be 2 FTs Duke would make plus a 3-point shot they most certainly would have made off its next possession and then throw in a steal off the inbounds pass and lay-up? That sounds like a 7-point "swing" to me in your world.

maineman wrote:

Dial it up wrote:

I'm guessing he is referring to the 5 points Duke scored on the two possessions they wouldn't have gotten if the officials were competent. Then again very basic concepts can be tough for Duke guys...

That's not a "5-point swing" but thanks for trying to play. I'm curious, in your world, how many "point swing" was it when the Tank intentionally fouled Okafor but only got called for a shooting foul that only resulted in Okafor making the FG but missing the FT? Would that be 2 FTs Duke would make plus a 3-point shot they most certainly would have made off its next possession and then throw in a steal off the inbounds pass and lay-up? That sounds like a 7-point "swing" to me in your world.

How does something so basic not resonate with you? I'm not hypothetically saying Wisconsin *could* have scored if they had gotten the possessions instead of Duke. I am saying Duke *DID* score 5 points on 2 possessions that they should not have had. You have to be a troll because this is amazing...

Dial it up,

This thread shows exactly why the games can be manipulated to keep them close and "exciting" without any fear of getting caught. Anyone complaining is simply discredited as a disgruntled homer whose team lost.

Since I don't care who wins most games, what upsets me is that once they start manipulating the games, they cease to become a fair competitive game for both teams and for me, that devalues my interest and I usually just turn to something else.

I quit watching games when

Video review is taking place

Calls manipulated to let losing team catch up

Any game announced by that caustic Dan Dakich

The seventh stoppage of play in the last 46 seconds of a game

Any game that a team can't score at least one point a minute.

In other words, I don't finish watching very many games.

Dial it up wrote:

maineman wrote:

That's not a "5-point swing" but thanks for trying to play. I'm curious, in your world, how many "point swing" was it when the Tank intentionally fouled Okafor but only got called for a shooting foul that only resulted in Okafor making the FG but missing the FT? Would that be 2 FTs Duke would make plus a 3-point shot they most certainly would have made off its next possession and then throw in a steal off the inbounds pass and lay-up? That sounds like a 7-point "swing" to me in your world.

How does something so basic not resonate with you? I'm not hypothetically saying Wisconsin *could* have scored if they had gotten the possessions instead of Duke. I am saying Duke *DID* score 5 points on 2 possessions that they should not have had. You have to be a troll because this is amazing...

Missed calls happen all the time. Kaminsky should have been called for a foul when he grabbed Winslow's wrist as he went up to score. Duke probably lost three points off that one play. There was a travel not called and Wisconsin ended up getting three points off the play. That kind of stuff happens every game.

The fact that Wisconsin was called for more fouls in the second half shouldn't be surprising. They were only called for 2 fouls the entire first half! How often does that happen? Not surprisingly, they played extremely aggressive in the second half since their starters had a grand total of ONE foul combined. One the other hand, Winslow and Okafor were saddled with foul trouble the entire game and had to be more timid on defense. Despite that, Okafor's third foul was ALL ball and a complete joke sending him to the bench again.

If Wisconsin couldn't take advantage of Winslow and Okafor both being on the bench, they have nothing to complain about. If Kaminsky and Dekker had been on the bench for much of the game, I can't imagine all the whining about the officiating. Yet, Kaminsky grabs and holds all game long and still only had a grand total of ONE foul called on him.

Face it, Duke was the better team. A very young team beat the veteran Wisconsin team at the Kohl center and beat them again because they are more talented. Specifically Duke's guards can run circles around Wisconsin's guards. Kind of like the UConn guards did to UK last year in the championship game. Guards win championships and Duke has great depth/talent in that area.