I didn't care who won when the game started. I would have given my first born to have Wisconsin win by the time the game ended. As soon as Wisconsin took control the whistle started blowing for Duke, of control drives, plays they initiate contact on, clean blocks, all fouls. 2 out of bounds plays, one they reviewed and didn't overturn. One I think TV accidentally showed the replay on.
Wow.
Anyone else disgusted by officiating in NCAA final tonight?
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Hi, Mom.
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Sorry son, don't take it personal :)
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Based on your other posts on here, I am glad you were disappointed.
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Yet there are still people who don't believe these games are fixed. I don't believe they are usually fixed for one team to win, but they are fixed to keep the games close so they come down to the last shot or go into overtime. Just this year they set a record for having the most one point games in the first round. All those fouls not only helped Duke tie the game, but clearly changed the momentum from Wisconsin to Duke.
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I respect both schools for the quality of their academic programs. Unlike UNC, and others like Kentucky, Oregon and FSU, I think these kids actually go to class,
In the halftime interview, I saw Coach K say, "We were driving but we couldn't get them to foul." That's as close a top coach on national TV dare come to saying the officiating was biased or rigged. I saw fouls ONLY being called on Duke in the first half, and that totally changed the game (with Okafor gone and Duke forced into a zone). In the second half, they balanced it out some, though I saw things like a blocking foul called on Duke when the Wisconsin player pushed off with his elbow, and there were a couple of push offs that weren't called mentioned by the TV announcers.
It looked to me that they were intentionally trying to hold Duke down from what could have been a rout like MSU. -
coach d wrote:
I respect both schools for the quality of their academic programs. Unlike UNC, and others like Kentucky, Oregon and FSU, I think these kids actually go to class,
In the halftime interview, I saw Coach K say, "We were driving but we couldn't get them to foul." .
Wisconsin led the NATION in only fouling 12.5 times per game for the whole season. Some of the reason Duke was getting easy drives to the basket in the first half was because Wisconsin doesn't foul, not because the refs weren't calling fouls. It was so obvious they started calling all those fouls in the second half to even the game back up you would have to be an idiot to not realize that. Are you going to really believe the BEST team in the nation at NOT fouling all of the sudden fouls 5 times in 6 possessions of a game they are ahead in? You are being duped like all the other stupid sheep that don't see what they have been doing in football and basketball for years. How do you think they are getting those BILLION dollar tv contracts? Surely by not having one team blow another out by 30 and everybody switch the channel. -
pretty hard to miss........ wrote:
coach d wrote:
I respect both schools for the quality of their academic programs. Unlike
UNC, and others like Kentucky, Oregon and FSU, I think these kids actually go to class,
In the halftime interview, I saw Coach K say, "We were driving but we couldn't get them to foul." .
Wisconsin led the NATION in only fouling 12.5 times per game for the whole season. Some of the reason Duke was getting easy drives to the basket in the first half was because Wisconsin doesn't foul, not because the refs weren't calling fouls. It was so obvious they started calling all those fouls in the second half to even the game back up you would have to be an idiot to not realize that. Are you going to really believe the BEST team in the nation at NOT fouling all of the sudden fouls 5 times in 6 possessions of a game they are ahead in? You are being duped like all the other stupid sheep that don't see what they have been doing in football and basketball for years. How do you think they are getting those BILLION dollar tv contracts? Surely by not having one team blow another out by 30 and everybody switch the channel.
Son, I think your tin foil hat is on a wee bit tight. -
Just like the Wisconsin vs Kentucky game, the calls went Wisconsin's way in the first half & the opponents way the second half. I didn't agree with officiating in both games, but it evened out. NCAA basketball, along with NFL is definitely rigged. It's getting to be as obvious as soccer. Of course with all the viewership involved, what do you expect.
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LOL @ conspiracy theorists.
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I liked the leaving the court interviews at halftime. Ryan: "We need to move the ball..." K: "We need more fouls to be called on them and less called on us." Great perspective of what the game has become.
I know pretty much anything goes under the basket, but now it is becoming much of the same out front. Allen from Duke gives a better stiff arm than Marshawn Lynch on pretty much every drive. He creates space by fully extending his off arm into the defensive players chest.
I'm in my 40s so am assuming that the game has passed me by. -
usoundstupid wrote:
LOL @ conspiracy theorists.
And that is why they keep doing it.
They know anybody that points out what they are doing will be discounted as a home fan mad that they lost.
Since you are so intelligent, why don't you calculate the odds of the best team in college basketball at NOT fouling averaging only 12.5 times per game, fouling the other team 5 out of 6 possessions in the championship game when they are ahead. To make it easier for you, the average possessions per game is in the 70s. Wisconsin fouled once every 6 possessions for the whole year.
If the officials called fouls at the same rate they did for those 4 or 5 minutes, Wisconsin would have 60 fouls called on them in a game. The record for most fouls by both teams in a game is 84. Couldn't find the record for one team. -
The flops that Duke perform all year long are horrendous, they preach and practice how to draw fouls and flop.
Ugly playing, but at the end of the day, it's just another championship and the money rolls in
Wisco had their number, it's a shame that the officials got in the way of an otherwise great game -
In how many of those games did they have to defend three guys who will go in the first round of the nba draft, including two in the top 5? Of course those guys are going to be better at drawing fouls than some clown from northwestern.
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Some of you are just Duke haters and insane.
Go back and look at all these calls you say DUKE GOT??
1. Okafor grabbed by two arms by Kaminsky, still made basket , missed foul shot
2. Allen drives to hoop, gets knocked to floor
3. Jones knocked to floor on drive to hoop
4. Allen, again clearly fouled for hoop and a three point play
that's FOUR of these so called mystery calls
5 would be the intentional push on Jones by Half court
They avg'ed 12.5 fouls a game and had 15 , one was committed to try and get ball back, that would have been 14? Some of you are IN fantasy land.
Bo Ryan pumped out all these metrics, on offensive efficiency, like few TO's? What did they have in this game a total of 5? That is really low for a game full of nerves and pressure.
They shot 25/61
7 /21 from three
that was their undoing, they had no foul trouble like Duke did
There were two marginal calls. or BAD no calls
Winslow clearly stepped out
Ball did go off his hand, but certainly within the realm of not reversible and yes, I saw it the same amount of times and said they will never reverse it and those who watch enough football should have understood that concept.
I think folks also are missing that three pointer Cook took from corner where he got knocked down, no foul.
Kaminsky does walk on those moves and never gets called for them,
and I thought Kaminsky got hacedk down low on baseline by Okafor which would have fouled him out, which would have been a blessing for Duke as he was awful.
Wiscy's guards were completely dominated by Allen and Jones who combined for 39 points.
Wiscy had no answer for Allen, who saved the day for Duke, he was crucial in that run of GREAT luck Duke had, by going to the hoops and scoring 12 of 16 in second half? -
Yep. Wisconsin never really got into their offensive rhythm, except maybe early in the second half when they had that nice run. They had no answer for Duke's guards, none at all. Had Okafur not been in trouble it might have actually been BETTER for Wisconsin, frankly.
Bad calls tend to balance out. Really, Wisconsin could have won that game if they had shot a little better -- missed free throws, a couple missed layups, really the difference in the game. Duke was money when it counted and Wisconsin wasn't. -
mellow seeds wrote:
In how many of those games did they have to defend three guys who will go in the first round of the nba draft, including two in the top 5? Of course those guys are going to be better at drawing fouls than some clown from northwestern.
There were bad calls both ways but only an idiot thinks there is some sort of conspiracy.
Just so you know bud, they played Duke once already this year with Dekker injured and didnt foul, they played Michigan State and blew them out without fouling, they beat Kentucky and didn't foul, they beat Arizona and didn't foul, and they beat North Carolina and didn't foul.
I don't think there is a big conspiracy, and I rarely think this, but that game last night WAS decided by some of the worst second half officiating I have ever seen. Coach K was very vocal to both the refs and the tv reporter about the fouls at the end of the first half. Wisconsin did not start fouling more, they started getting called more because they were trying to avoid the backlash of people blaming them for putting Okafor in foul trouble but not Wisconsin.
Outside of the lopsided foul calls, there were two obvious out of bounds calls that they missed. One was reviewed and everyone could see who it was out on at home, and they STILL missed it. Puts an asterisk on an otherwise great final four and tournament. -
checking the stats......... wrote:
usoundstupid wrote:
LOL @ conspiracy theorists.
And that is why they keep doing it.
They know anybody that points out what they are doing will be discounted as a home fan mad that they lost.
Since you are so intelligent, why don't you calculate the odds of the best team in college basketball at NOT fouling averaging only 12.5 times per game, fouling the other team 5 out of 6 possessions in the championship game when they are ahead. To make it easier for you, the average possessions per game is in the 70s. Wisconsin fouled once every 6 possessions for the whole year.
If the officials called fouls at the same rate they did for those 4 or 5 minutes, Wisconsin would have 60 fouls called on them in a game. The record for most fouls by both teams in a game is 84. Couldn't find the record for one team.
The odds are actually quite good. Given a per game average of 12.5 and only 2 entering the second half, there was a significant likelihood of a sustantial increase in the second half. One must also consider that Duke is a significantly better team than Wisonsin's average opponent which also suggests the game average would be above 12.5. -
ur stoopid at maths. 5 in 6 plays: something ur maths fails at, miserably.
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usoundstupid wrote:
checking the stats......... wrote:
usoundstupid wrote:
LOL @ conspiracy theorists.
And that is why they keep doing it.
They know anybody that points out what they are doing will be discounted as a home fan mad that they lost.
Since you are so intelligent, why don't you calculate the odds of the best team in college basketball at NOT fouling averaging only 12.5 times per game, fouling the other team 5 out of 6 possessions in the championship game when they are ahead. To make it easier for you, the average possessions per game is in the 70s. Wisconsin fouled once every 6 possessions for the whole year.
If the officials called fouls at the same rate they did for those 4 or 5 minutes, Wisconsin would have 60 fouls called on them in a game. The record for most fouls by both teams in a game is 84. Couldn't find the record for one team.
The odds are actually quite good. Given a per game average of 12.5 and only 2 entering the second half, there was a significant likelihood of a sustantial increase in the second half. One must also consider that Duke is a significantly better team than Wisonsin's average opponent which also suggests the game average would be above 12.5.
If you flip a coin and it is heads three times in a row.....that does not mean that the next flip is likely to be tails.
