Good News for Ritz: WADA Issues Statement on NOP L-carnitine usage - Doping Rules NOT Broken with 2011 Advice

wejo wrote:

Me. wrote:

This x2.

Plus, anybody injecting themselves with anything, or letting someone else inject them with anything, to improve athletic performance, is a **** including Dathan Ritzenhein.

It is interesting how a lot of people draw the line with injections even when they are legal.

Legal things can still be morally ambiguous... Even if it's a legal PED, it's still just that, a performance enhancing drug, and any honest athlete dedicated to being the best based off of their own work should stay away from them.

It seems like WADA and USADA are tasked with making the call.

I can't imagine what this board would look like if it were Rupp and not Ritz who was injected.

Me. wrote:

reader of the forums wrote:

This.

This x2.

Plus, anybody injecting themselves with anything, or letting someone else inject them with anything, to improve athletic performance, is a fukcing @sshole, including Dathan Ritzenhein.

Oh please. Get over yourselves and take your phony sanctimonious attitudes elsewhere

[/quote] Oh please. Get over yourselves and take your phony sanctimonious attitudes elsewhere[/quote]

Or, take a stand for our sport and demand an even safe playing field. Athletics is simple and pure. Infusing yourself with a substance to gain an advantage is beyond the pale.

So, you, then should take your jaded narcissistic attitude elsewhere. Try the NFL or MLB.

I'm Not A Lawyer.. wrote:

ROJO & WEJO,

As journalists, why did you start this thread with the opinionated statement "Good News for Ritz.?" Thought you were against dopers.

With the exception of WADA's recent statement that contradicts the published 2011 Prohibited List (this list came into effect 1 January 2011) this is doping. The 2012 Prohibited List allowing chemical manipulation up to a threshold came into effect, as detailed in the 2012 publish list, January 1 2012.

I thought about that headline for about 5 seconds. But I think it is factually good news for Ritz. I think "good news for Ritz" is different than "good news". The way I read the Sunday Times article he had inadvertently broken anti-doping rules by getting an L-carnitine injection in 2011. Now WADA is saying he did not break the rules.

The way I read WADA's statement is that USADA did not give the NOP bad

advice and thus Ritz did not violate the 2011 rules. A poster above points to " 2. Intravenous infusions are prohibited except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions or clinical investigations."

I'm assuming you can get an "injection" that is not an "intravenous infusion"

I will follow up with someone at USADA.. Maybe I'm reading this wrong but essentially I see them saying, "USADA did not give bad advice, it was legal to do this at the time." That means Ritz didn't break the rule if he got l-carnitine less than 50mL every 6 hours.

And for people saying there are different rules for Salazar than everyone else I don't buy it. The rules are the rules. Doesn't mean you have to like if they do this even if it is within the rules.

I'm Not A Lawyer.. wrote:

ROJO & WEJO,

As journalists, why did you start this thread with the opinionated statement "Good News for Ritz.?" Thought you were against dopers.

Err, because it was exactly that, "Good News for Ritz.", what don't you understand about that?

P. Henry wrote:

Me. wrote:

This x2.

Plus, anybody injecting themselves with anything, or letting someone else inject them with anything, to improve athletic performance, is a fukcing @sshole, including Dathan Ritzenhein.

Oh please. Get over yourselves and take your phony sanctimonious attitudes elsewhere

If you find yourself angrily dismissing another person's view, but can't give a justifiable reason why you're doing this, you are almost certainly acting irrationally.

Health wrote:

With all the various stuff NOP seem to be putting in to their athletes I hope they (the athletes) haven't signed away their rights to sue for compensation should future health problems arise because of it.

anyone know if they do sign these rights away and is it legal.

wejo wrote:

I'm assuming you can get an "injection" that is not an "intravenous infusion"

You can, but it appears injection of L-carnitine is IV.

Look at the date n00bs. This was all just an April Fools joke by WADA.

They, like the rest of us, know all NOPers are dirty as hell.

Ritz flew to Houston to get an injection for no other purpose than to enhance his marathon time by 3 minutes. This violates the spirit of fair play. I don't need a pencil pusher at WADA to tell me whether this is legal. Ritz has always been one of my favorite professional runners, and as much as it pains me to admit it, he is a doper in my book.

You may want a world run by a handicapper general where everyone is identical, but I'm fine people training and preparing in their own way. It's part of the game. Carnitine is no more a ped than is vitamin c. Real PEDs should be banned, yes.

sp2 wrote:

How does smoking a bowl of weed help you run faster? (Serious question.)[/quote]

It won't help most of the better athletes, due to the fact they are typically "perceivers" not "judgers" when viewed from the MBTI. But a judger can temporarily become a perceiver, or you might say a left brained person can temporarily become more right brained and in the process move less mechanically. Of course that smoother movement has to offset the rise in heart rate and blood pressure, and it often won't unless someone isn't very athletic to begin with.

I don't understand your logic.

How about people that ingest or snort stuff to enhance performance? Are they also dopers?

How about anemic runners that receive IV injections? Or take iron supplements? Those actually do increase performance capabilities dramatically. Are they dopers?

I know this one athlete that thinks ingesting large amounts of carbohydrates and water the night prior to racing increases his performance, is he a doper??

A wonderful example of how arbitrary anti-doping policy is.

It doesn't even work, whatever way it's taken.

It doesn't even work, whatever way it's taken.

Please post proof of your "absolute" position.

Why bother? Why believe in every product that comes on the market? Why no believe in yourself? Inferiority complex? Gullible in believe marketing hype?

What is it about the human body that you think is so in need of a helping hand from lab technicians who make these products?

No NOPers wrote:

Oh please. Get over yourselves and take your phony sanctimonious attitudes elsewhere[/quote]

Or, take a stand for our sport and demand an even safe playing field. Athletics is simple and pure. Infusing yourself with a substance to gain an advantage is beyond the pale.

So, you, then should take your jaded narcissistic attitude elsewhere. Try the NFL or MLB.[/quote]

Is altitude training - clearly a performance enhancer according to scientific research - creating an uneven playing field?