According to milesplit, there were 13 his boys under wariner's time for the 800 in indoor. How many of them can make worlds this year?
According to milesplit, there were 13 his boys under wariner's time for the 800 in indoor. How many of them can make worlds this year?
When pigs fly wrote:
He stated post race this was just a strength and endurance race to get ready for the 400 this year with a goal to make the world champs team in the 400.
Not sure where the spin came he was trying to be a 800 runner.
He has an outside chance to make it as an individual and a good chance to make the 4x4 relay team as they take the top six finishers at nationals.
35 year olds have run 44.5
He still has time at age 31.
cbenson4 wrote:
I doubt he plans to switch to 800m at the moment. If he continues to run sub-par 400s, it might enter his mind, but right now he would probably laugh at this thread.
Yes he would. That guy is not a half miler. He has no interest. Even if he jumped to the 800 when he 22 there is no guarantee he could have run much under 1:50.
Juantorena 1976 400/800 champion
But can't you take that great long sprinter, like Wariner in his prime, and train him like a 400/800 guy, not with 60 mpw, but with less than 30 but more repeats in the 400-600 realm, short, steep hill repeats, shorter tempos, and still lots of speedwork? When Wariner was closing out his 43 mid 400s very, very strong the last 100m in 2007, he was surely not far from running 600m around 1:12, and then not much longer training to get to 800m very fast.
Dear go to figure. I love Warner. Always have. It was awesome watching him race when he was killing it. Youngsters don't know sh*+ on here - he was one of the best, better than any USA distance runner accolades wise. Fact. I liked voucher when she ran well but now I don't like her. So, I'm selectively fickle but know what you mean.
go to figure wrote:
Three Olympic Golds and a Silver. Five World Championship Golds. But Wariner is hated here, almost as much as Kara Goucher.
Go figure.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Warinerererer wrote:We know that we lose speed as we get older, but as Haile, Paula, Bernard, Meb (not sprinter, I know) have all told us: endurance can improve with age
urban legend.
70-74 marathon WR: Ed Whitlock 2:54, 142% of open WR
70-74 400m: Guido Muller 59.34, 137%
70-74 100m: Bobby Whilden 12.77, 133%
That last old man might be faster than YOU. Might even beat Farah.
not just in old age either.
40-44 100m: 10.29 107%
mile: 3:54 104%
10000 28:30 108%
I completely agree with this and have pointed out these same facts in the past on here. The "it's easier to maintain endurance than speed as one ages" really has no basis, other than people stop training for speed.
(I guess the only point to the contrary is: it's possible that for the avg person training for speed events is more likely to cause acute injury than distance training, however distance training is obviously not without injury risks for older people. )
It's not an urban legend, and it isn't that counterintuitive. As the op stated, Paula, Geb, Lagat, etc. have claimed that endurance doesn't fall off with age in the same way that speed does. Different systems are involved. If you get banged up so that you can't put in the work, that's something else...
On a different note, I seem to remember reading that Wariner, in his prime, trained 50 plus miles per week (although, obviously, he wasn't doing mileage).
Can anyone back me up on this?
To me, this performance is a lot more impressive than it seems.
24.high opening 200 slowing to 55, then he lets the whole field pass him but then powers past everyone for 1:53.
What this shows me is that in a well paced race with a pacer he could run 1:51 right now FOR SURE.
He's probably in no better than 46.0 shape currently so this is actually very good. Imagine him the season he ran his 43.45 training for the 800 instead... :o
Just take him on the day he ran 43.45 vs. the other day in 46.x shape. If you allow him 1:51.5 fitness right now (which i think is perfectly reasonable), then when he was in 43.45 shape he for sure could have run 1:46. He could have trained purely for 800 that year and still been in 44.4 shape but with endurance. Would have run 1:41 definitely!
Jay-son de-rulo wrote:
It's not an urban legend, and it isn't that counterintuitive. As the op stated, Paula, Geb, Lagat, etc. have claimed that endurance doesn't fall off with age in the same way that speed does. Different systems are involved. If you get banged up so that you can't put in the work, that's something else...
On a different note, I seem to remember reading that Wariner, in his prime, trained 50 plus miles per week (although, obviously, he wasn't doing mileage).
Can anyone back me up on this?
I guess these silly little things called "facts" doesn´t interest you?
You can clearly see in masters WR that the sprint marks aren´t any worse than long distance WR´s.
There are several things wrong with your silly "facts," when taken at face value.
1. As I already mentioned, the biggest one is that older people get injured more often. That doesn't necessarily have anything to do with potential, had they avoided injury.
2. Another thing: it takes enormous willpower to train at the highest level, and not everyone wants to continue this for years and years- this even goes for guys in their late 20's! Masters records would almost certainly be better if many top runners didn't quit before they even made it to the master's level.
3. Bernard Lagat is one of the few runners of his class ever to have made it past these first two barriers, and he is annihilating master's WR. He also has the benefit of being well-payed to pursue top performance full-time, which is not true of most masters.
4. Another thing, I think it's pretty obvious that performance falls off with age, such that probably, a 60 year old's sprint records will probably be equivalent to 60 year old's distance record; but the question is: for someone in their mid thirties, is it possible to hang on to endurance, or let's say "energy" systems longer than their speed, or neuromuscular load ability, or whatever you would want to call it. That would seem to be the deciding factor, if Wariner wanted to move to the 800 this year or next year.
I wish Wariner would hop in that 600m WR attempt with Rudisha. I think 800m is a little out of his range but 600m is near perfect (wish he had done the 500m at Millrose).
He's always called himself more of a strength runner than a speed runner, and his 200m has shown that (never broken 20 seconds for someone scaring the low 43 mark).
Anyone know why Jeremy W "DNS"ed at Baylor on Friday?
Jay-son de-rulo wrote:
for someone in their mid thirties, is it possible to hang on to endurance, or let's say "energy" systems longer than their speed, or neuromuscular load ability, or whatever you would want to call it. That would seem to be the deciding factor, if Wariner wanted to move to the 800 this year or next year.
There is absolutely no reason why you shouldn´t be able to "hang on" to speed just as good as endurance when you get older. Science has showed that what you lose most when you get older is oxygen uptake due to declining heart function. Pure speed and pure endurance depends much more on your legs.
Wariner has had one of the great athletics careers, as has already been pointed out on here. Certainly one of the great 400m runners. I am happy he is still competing, in whatever way he can, at whatever level he can attain. For many reasons -- most already posted -- I do not see him as a Rio 800m finalist, or on the USA OG team in that event. I doubt if he sees himself doing that either. He gave the impression after that 800m race that he was still intent on pursuing the 400m.
In any case, here is another reason I would not expect Wariner, or any 32yo runner, to be in the OG 800m final: Since the 1948 OG, 136 competitors have lined up for OG 800m finals. (Some of them carry over from one OG to another -- thus, not 136 distinct individuals, but rather 136 individual competitors, counting each appearance in an OG final as one.) Of those 136 competitors, only 3 have been 32yo or older at the time of the OG final. (And only 10 of the 136 have been 30yo or older at the time of the OG final.) And of those 3 competitors at 32yo or older, it is actually just two individuals: Johnny Gray was 32yo when he won bronze at Barcelona in 1992, and then 36yo when he was an Atlanta finalist (finishing 7th). Arthur Wint was the other 32yo finalist, in 1952 (earning silver). There seem to be greater opportunities for at least some athletes to extend careers now, but history of the 800m says it is really a younger athlete's event.
Of course, it is worth noting that of the 3 times a 32yo or older OG 800m finalist appeared in the event, 2 won medals. So, the two "old" guys who made it there were exceptional in more than one way.
I would be interested nevertheless to see how fast Wariner could run 800m at this point in his life, but I don't expect to see him take on that difficult challenge.
I think we can say, without hesitation, Wariner should DEFINITELY be the 800m world record holder!! He DEFINITELY would have run 1:40 or even faster!! :D !!
In answer to the OP's question, no
LaShawn Merritt turn to 200m is much easier than Jeremy Wariner turn to 800m.
Rio 2016 Team USA:
La Shawn Merritt: 200m
Jeremy Wariner: 400m, 4x400m relay
Nick Symmonds: 800m, 4x400m relay
Casimir Loxsom: 400m, 800m, 4x400m relay
Remaining 4x400m relay squad: Duane Solomon (African decent)
To resolve doping issue, 100m and 200m should be African American predominant, whereas 400m and 800m should be Caucasian predominant.
Wariner and Symonds are done.
wariner is running the 400m in ponce tonight