See, you get it now.
See, you get it now.
[quote]A few musings after reading wrote:
1) alvina Begay might be one of the worst names I've ever heard
FYI, Begay is one of the more common Navajo surnames. No one can help having the name they're born with (unless they change it later in life). But I guess you're trying to make a joke about sexual preference, which IMO is inappropriate in this case.
So if Steve Magness is willing to inject himself with supplements to test performance gains, one could then assume he would be willing to inject his athletes as well if he found the injections beneficial (or why else test it). If injections are not legal then what does that say about Magness in all of this. (from my reading these substances may be legal to take in pill form but not injected in mass quantities)
I wonder what Sara Hall, McDougal, his other athletes and the University of Houston (his employer) think about this revelation?
Doesn't The Sunday Times have a back story in the field of doping in sport? they had the serialisation rights to David Walsh's book exposing Armstrong - but weren't they intimidated into not running the story by Armstrong's legal team? My memory is not absolute here and I don't have time to check this out. apologies to all if this is complete garbage! Maybe they have more on NOP and are being very careful about what they publish? More likely, this story is all they have on Salazar and NOP.
It seems as though Salazar and his team are taking the view that unless something is specifically banned it is OK to use that substance/procedure. Technically this is OK - but there are several testimonies from cyclists who have doped to the effect that they effectively lost their doping virginity when they started to take perfectly legal vitamin INJECTIONS to aid their recovery. This certainly made the step to taking things they knew were illegal much easier. And the doping programmes of many athletes have combined several perfectly legal supplements with all the illegal stuff! (It does seem odd that Salazar would specially order a high value quantity of something that several posters have said you can buy pretty cheaply in your local supermarket. something doesn't add up here!)
The problem is allowing doctors and dogdy 'scientific research' to get involved in the athletes preparation. Another example, though not illegal is this BS about beetroot juice, which is supposedly backed up by research, but is really nothing more than an expensive product which does nothing.
Athletes should get proper education about how their body works and how it doesn't need all of these supposed 'performance enhancers'. Too much marketing hype and too many sharks around the sport. All any athlete needs is good training, recovery, diet and the right race build up.
"...but is really nothing more than an expensive product which does nothing."
You know too much about what works, and what doesn't work. The only way to obtain that know-how is to conduct your own experiments on your own athletic Guinea Pigs.
What does it say about Magness that he willingly allowed himself to be injected with a substance Salazar claimed was an amino acid & then be tested for its PED potential?
Guilt by association for the athletes he coached now... Neely, Sara, etc
what it is wrote:
All any athlete needs is good training, recovery, diet and the right race build up.
Right. Clean. All those podiums and medals that have been reassigned because of clerical errors?
Inejectee wrote:
What does it say about Magness that he willingly allowed himself to be injected with a substance Salazar claimed was an amino acid & then be tested for its PED potential?
Guilt by association for the athletes he coached now... Neely, Sara, etc
I believe the paper sums it up when it says "reluctantly" agreed. Which probably means he was made to. It probably says more that he left and didn't stick around.
Keep up junior, connect the dots.
It isn't what it is wrote:
"...but is really nothing more than an expensive product which does nothing."
You know too much about what works, and what doesn't work. The only way to obtain that know-how is to conduct your own experiments on your own athletic Guinea Pigs.
Drug obsessed much?
All the chemicals you need are produced naturally in your body.
Magness Mania wrote:
So if Steve Magness is willing to inject himself with supplements to test performance gains, one could then assume he would be willing to inject his athletes as well if he found the injections beneficial (or why else test it). If injections are not legal then what does that say about Magness in all of this. (from my reading these substances may be legal to take in pill form but not injected in mass quantities)
I wonder what Sara Hall, McDougal, his other athletes and the University of Houston (his employer) think about this revelation?
This does make one wonder... I heard of a person or two who visited UH and had some suspicions of some of their tops runners pushing the gray area a bit... Or at least they like to joke about each other doping.
Could the hatred of dopers be a cover up, or does Magness accept the realization that his athletes must "dope" if they want to make it?
I'm not saying one way or the other, but it's something to chew on.
Why did he allow himself to be a ginea pig? This issue has probably caused him a lot of embarassment and resentment?
Who cares what her name is. The issue should be she doped. No better than Rita Jeptoo.
Except for the niggling fact that she didn't dope.
The substance is legal. Infusions are legal now. If Steve decide infusions up to 50ml of a legal substance, what would be the issue? What should anyone think?
Magness Mania wrote:
So if Steve Magness is willing to inject himself with supplements to test performance gains, one could then assume he would be willing to inject his athletes as well if he found the injections beneficial (or why else test it). If injections are not legal then what does that say about Magness in all of this. (from my reading these substances may be legal to take in pill form but not injected in mass quantities)
I wonder what Sara Hall, McDougal, his other athletes and the University of Houston (his employer) think about this revelation?
rekrunner wrote:
If Steve decide infusions up to 50ml of a legal substance, what would be the issue? What should anyone think?
that he has a fetish for gigantic syringes.
Big improvements wrote:
"BTW Rupps progression is strikingly linear. He is a poor example of a doper."
Do you have a link to a research paper the shows linear progression over a period of many years--greater than 10--is a poor example of doping?
If you go back through the archives, links to articles at OregonLive, and RegisterGuard.com -- you'll find that work on Rupp's kick and sprinting ability was covered as early as 2009, with descriptions of workouts where Rupp's 100 meter times were quoted, and workouts designed to use sprinting techniques from sprint coaches while exhausted at the end of hard workouts.
We're talking about a legal supplement, and about an athlete that has been tested more under the biological passport, than probably any other athlete since the passport's inception....
Eat, Sleep, Run, Inject wrote:
Salmon Calc wrote:L-Carnetine is the equivalent to fish oil or multivitamins. You all are freaking out about something you can buy at Wal Mart for $10.
Maybe so, but then why was Salazar spending $5k to get it from a particular source? Why did he want injections rather than just telling his athletes to swallow some cheap Walmart pills? Nobody flies to Houston to get injections of fish oil or Centrum vitamins.
Anyway, just because a substance is perceived as routine doesn't mean it can't have entirely different effects in massive doses, or with different methods of administration. Nobody will complain if an athlete has a cup of coffee (caffeine) before a race, but if they see them taking an injection with the caffeine equivalent of 20 cups of coffee, that's a completely different matter.
My guess is paying 5k to get it from a certain source, would be to get it from a maker that did not have cross contamination in their supplements like the majority of the industry does...
I'm no doctor, but I guess infusions don't require gigantic syringes.
Looks to me like the "no infusion" rule, prohibiting "large" quantities, is targeted at preventing blood thinning.
rekrunner wrote:
From carnitine? Apparently not if they tried it and then stopped because it didn't work.
Anyway, I didn't state that to defend NOP, but rather highlight that if an 11% improvement was observed, it should be possible to independently repeat the experiment, and observation. At least from the various quotes, they tried it, and didn't see improvements attributable to carnitine.
I'm most interested in a credible confirmation that this stuff actually works like the study found.
Big improvements wrote:"The rest of the athletes said they tried it and saw no improvement."
But many NOP athletes have seen significant performance improvements.
Agree.
They should have asked for a refund; false claims, false advertising.
If the stuff worked, Farah and Rupp would be running 25min or better 10,000's