Major USADA screw up over L-Carnetine/NOP issue

Red herring. Salazar is admitting to something fairly small. If it was a violation they can blame it on a misunderstanding or misinformation from usada. This is drawing attention away from what they were really doing with their medal winners.

L-Carnetine/NOP issue = EPO/realPEDS/NOP issue...wink wink.

*stipe wrote:

Red herring. Salazar is admitting to something fairly small. If it was a violation they can blame it on a misunderstanding or misinformation from usada. This is drawing attention away from what they were really doing with their medal winners.

Salazar has no connection to what mo farah is doing

The NOP is merely a smokescreen

I love that one argument here is;

"the athletes say they saw no improvement."

Excuse me? Rupp goes from a season of running a bunch of over 13-minute 5ks and getting outkicked every race to kicking into second at the Olympics?

He can say he saw no improvement, but that sure sounds like improvement.

Mo saw no improvement

Centro saw no improvement

________ [insert NOP name] saw no improvement

Sure, that makes sense since that's what AlSal told them all to claim.

Guinea the Pig wrote:

Alvina Begay was obviously a NOP Guinea Pig.

Proof?

Proof? Too ignorant to find it yourself. Who are you, A Duck?

"Alvina Begay, an American marathon runner with the Nike Oregon Project, received an injection of L-carnitine"

"Begay said she had derived no benefit from her use of L-carnitine and no longer used the supplement. She declined to say when she was given the injection."

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/Health/article1537354.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2015_03_29

Of course, NOP defenders will scream "That is not proof!"

*stipe wrote:

Red herring. Salazar is admitting to something fairly small. If it was a violation they can blame it on a misunderstanding or misinformation from usada. This is drawing attention away from what they were really doing with their medal winners.

Exactly. Why are the blood values of x so high? Well you said it was ok to inject carnitine.

Coach.. wrote:

*stipe wrote:

Red herring. Salazar is admitting to something fairly small. If it was a violation they can blame it on a misunderstanding or misinformation from usada. This is drawing attention away from what they were really doing with their medal winners.

Salazar has no connection to what mo farah is doing

The NOP is merely a smokescreen

Plausible deniability.

newmexican wrote:

Proof? Too ignorant to find it yourself. Who are you, A Duck?

"Alvina Begay, an American marathon runner with the Nike Oregon Project, received an injection of L-carnitine"

"Begay said she had derived no benefit from her use of L-carnitine and no longer used the supplement. She declined to say when she was given the injection."

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/Health/article1537354.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2015_03_29

Of course, NOP defenders will scream "That is not proof!"

No talent.

" at today's Olympic Trials, finishing 56th out of 152 runners. Begay finished with a time of 2:42:40"

What is your point? That drugs ONLY provide performance benefits to "elite" athlete?

I guess we now know how Rupp could close out Lagat in the 5000m in the trials that year and then burst away from all but his similarly aided teammate in the Olympic 10k. And Ritz too in the 5000m in 12:56 and half in 1:00:00?? Say it ain't so!

you can buy this sh*t at whole foods for $15. who cares?

"The rest of the athletes said they tried it and saw no improvement."

But many NOP athletes have seen significant performance improvements.

L-Carnetine is the equivalent to fish oil or multivitamins. You all are freaking out about something you can buy at Wal Mart for $10.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/11028018?wmlspartner=wlpa&adid=22222222227000045499&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=40754423552&wl4=&wl5=pla&wl6=78606248192&veh=sem

What this debate really shows is something about the Letsrun audience. Grab your pitchforks gents! We just "know" they are "dopers."

There is a long distance between taking a supplement and blood doping. If you were my students I would nail you all for creating a slippery slope argument (and straw man). Tell your brains to slow down and stop jumping from point A to Z without discussing B,C, D...

The headline could read, "Salazar rubs moose feces onto athletes' legs before race," and you would all nod your heads and say, "yep, this indicates that EPO was also probably used."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g

BTW Rupps progression is strikingly linear. He is a poor example of a doper.

You NOP people are very scarred, as you should be.

"BTW Rupps progression is strikingly linear. He is a poor example of a doper."

Do you have a link to a research paper the shows linear progression over a period of many years--greater than 10--is a poor example of doping?

Salmon Calc wrote:

L-Carnetine is the equivalent to fish oil or multivitamins. You all are freaking out about something you can buy at Wal Mart for $10.

Maybe so, but then why was Salazar spending $5k to get it from a particular source? Why did he want injections rather than just telling his athletes to swallow some cheap Walmart pills? Nobody flies to Houston to get injections of fish oil or Centrum vitamins.

Anyway, just because a substance is perceived as routine doesn't mean it can't have entirely different effects in massive doses, or with different methods of administration. Nobody will complain if an athlete has a cup of coffee (caffeine) before a race, but if they see them taking an injection with the caffeine equivalent of 20 cups of coffee, that's a completely different matter.

newmexican wrote:

What is your point? That drugs ONLY provide performance benefits to "elite" athlete?

Some people are elite because they take drugs. The use of carnitine is a smokescreen.