bay area jogger kicks and kills off-leash dog

been there before wrote:

Someone tried to kick in the direction of my dog once they got a bloody nose and a warning. .

Lol. Sure you did, internet tough guy.

J.R. wrote:

I agree.

This was a matter of self defense, nothing else.

Any dog that attacks a person should not be allowed to be around people.

How do you know whether it was "a matter of self defense" or not? The only information you have is the stories of the two involved parties. No one here knows whether the dog attacked the jogger or not.

Chewbacca wrote:

Adults who are afraid of dogs are a curiosity.

Those pugs are vicious. Good thing this hero stepped and protected his community for public enemy #1.

James Tompkins wrote:

I don't know the particulars of this case, but I have kicked and killed an off leash dog when I was running. It was a doberman. It was snarling. The owner tried to get me prosecuted and the police laughed at him. If your dog is off leash, you are breaking the law. Simple.

Anyway to verify this?

I want to believe you but my take on all of this is that any single kick that kills a dog--of any size--was incredibly well place (intentionally or not). My only experience kicking an animal while running was a opossum at dusk on a greenway trail. The little guy ran across the trail right in front of me and spooked the crap out of me. I instinctually kicked it--and I kicked it as hard as I could in the face. The opposum flew a few feet in the air, rolled over and kept running.

There's nothing good about it, but this guy did nothing wrong. He was charged by this dog (hence being within striking distance) and he has every right to stop the charge. It's awful that one swift kick killed this dog, but the onus is on the owner, not the runner.

grrrrrr wrote:

Chewbacca wrote:

Adults who are afraid of dogs are a curiosity.

Those pugs are vicious. Good thing this hero stepped and protected his community for public enemy #1.

I don't believe anyone who gives their dog two names, like "Mei Fun". No f*cking way the runner went out of his way to kick a returning pug - it would be hard to hit any vital part of the dog if it was running away from you.

Would I do it? No. But with the owner both being in the wrong and being a liar, I have a hard time sympathizing.

jjjjjj wrote:

The one pug that I know is my uncle's and it is the sweetest, gentlest dog I know, almost never barks, but jumps on people out of excitement and does not ever harm anyone, even my two year old. So, I have to say that while usually I would be completely in sympathy with the jogger, in this case I'm dubious.

All dogs are different, and you can't assign sweetness to a whole breed. When I was a kid, the lady neighbor had a pug, and that thing would try to bite us any time it got out of her yard, and when in the yard it would stand by the fence and bark non-stop at us as we played basketball in the driveway (hoop attached to the garage). Horrible little dog.

dogs that run at you aren't generally attacking, but playing. There's no reason to kick a dog like that.

The worst dogs are the barkers that get in your face and make noise. Can't kick them either but you can chew out their owners who fail to train or control them. If your dog acts like that, you shouldn't have one.

Bad Wigins wrote:

dogs that run at you aren't generally attacking, but playing. There's no reason to kick a dog like that.

The worst dogs are the barkers that get in your face and make noise. Can't kick them either but you can chew out their owners who fail to train or control them. If your dog acts like that, you shouldn't have one.

So... it's the dogs that don't run at you that attack you?

"If you're scared of dogs don't run on trails where dogs are frequently running."That would actually be a brilliant idea. Then, the dog owner would be fined AND be subject to a criminal record and possible civil suit.

been there before wrote:

The real story here is how much of a pvssy the owner of the dog is. Sounds they didn't do anything. Someone tried to kick in the direction of my dog once they got a bloody nose and a warning. If you're scared of dogs don't run on trails where dogs are frequently running. If you choose to do so I reserve the right to swing my fists in your direction if you abuse something that isnt yours.

Bad Wigins wrote:

dogs that run at you aren't generally attacking, but playing. There's no reason to kick a dog like that.

The worst dogs are the barkers that get in your face and make noise. Can't kick them either but you can chew out their owners who fail to train or control them. If your dog acts like that, you shouldn't have one.

you can tell a dog is going to attack you based on body language.

if all parts of the body are mobile (i.e. tongue out, tail moving, galloping stride, ears flopping, carefree head bob), the dog means no harm.

if the dog is charging at you with its mouth closed, immobile tail, strong stride, it's not in a playful mood.

since most dogs are unpredictable it's unsafe to assume that every dog just wants to play, especially when you're running already, which just eggs most dogs on.

been there before wrote:

The real story here is how much of a pvssy the owner of the dog is. Sounds they didn't do anything. Someone tried to kick in the direction of my dog once they got a bloody nose and a warning. If you're scared of dogs don't run on trails where dogs are frequently running. If you choose to do so I reserve the right to swing my fists in your direction if you abuse something that isnt yours.

People ask why we come to LRC? I tell them, it is to be in the presence of pure toughness. You wouldn't find a poster like this on a UFC or Boxing message board.

Flagpole wrote:

All dogs are different, and you can't assign sweetness to a whole breed. When I was a kid, the lady neighbor had a pug, and that thing would try to bite us any time it got out of her yard, and when in the yard it would stand by the fence and bark non-stop at us as we played basketball in the driveway (hoop attached to the garage). Horrible little dog.

Leave it to Flagpole to have known and even been terrorized by the one vicious pug in existence!

(yes, they can be barkers, like lots of dogs, but.......that doesn't make a dog "horrible." Annoying maybe, with bad owners, but.....not a horrible, vicious dog.

And sure, for the 2nd time I am giving you a hard time, and yes, not every pug in existence is nice, or every pit bull mean, but there are strong trends. You were a little kid, you might have imagined it was "try(ing) to bite us".

The real bottom line to this story is: one shouldn't take an action that could result in serious bodily harm to a person or pet if one isn't seriously and truly fearful of an injury to themselves. You shouldn't kill a dog just because you are annoyed. Seriously?? If it's a big dog, yes, kick hard, because A) the dog might actually harm you if it is up in your face, and b) your kick will probably not even hurt the thing in the slightest. But some little "all bark no bite" ankle biter (not even biter, but ankle barker)....boot it very hard in the head ?? C'mon. This guy was a tool. And trust me, I get angry when dogs bother me on a run. But those are much bigger dogs that might actually harm me if they are not friendly)

I use to run with some guys who'd try and get off leash dogs to run with us. We took a few dogs on some long runs. One dude got pretty pissed and hustled home got a bike and caught up to us. He couldn't really say a whole lot being there were several of us, but that was about the only time anyone gave us grief. Most dogs would just go home after a short distance.

follow me boy wrote:

I use to run with some guys who'd try and get off leash dogs to run with us. We took a few dogs on some long runs. One dude got pretty pissed and hustled home got a bike and caught up to us. He couldn't really say a whole lot being there were several of us, but that was about the only time anyone gave us grief. Most dogs would just go home after a short distance.

wow. to think he would go through all that trouble just to yell at some guys about a poor dog that chose to run with them.

How in the name of Christ are there people defending the runner, saying the dog owner was in the wrong? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here! It's not like the guy was getting charged by a snarling pitbull! It was a 15 pound pug for Christ's sake! What kind of piece of shit would kick a little dog in the head and kill it like that? It was probably just trying to greet him, and even if it wasn't, how is kicking it in the head an appropriate response? I really hate people that hurt animals and the fact that all of you are defending this dickhead scares me.

you're right that you can't assign sweetness to an entire breed, although the pug rates very high as a breed in that and other qualities. you can prima facie worry about pit bulls, bred to lock their jaw and withstand pain, responsible for at least half the dog bite deaths every year in this country, especially around small children, but there may be well-trained pit bulls that are harmless.

Worth mentioning is that pugs have the brachycephalic syndrome (pushed in face) that makes them more vulnerable to respiratory problems. A kick to the chest /neck or head would be much worse to an excited pug than say a similar sized dog with normal airways (beagle) . I feel bad for the pug and the jogger, not so for the owner. I understand dogs as well as anybody and I have been bitten , at work and on the run. Its hard even for me to read a dogs intention while its running at me. I can understand this joggers reaction. The situation never would have happened had the owner used the leash and not broken the law.

yeah they are really vicious

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