Official 2015 EDP Lisbon Half Marathon Discussion Thread - Will the World Record Go Down? (Race at 6:30 am ET)

Someone needs to ask Farah about Tadese's WR... it's 1-min faster. Unbelievable. Could 58:23 WR be untouchable?

Why would Kogo agree to that? Kogo is a professional also trying to continue his career forward. It boggles my mind when a conspiracy like this pops up. What professional runner would ever let another runner win when there just isn't enough money in the sport to be able to incentivize a runner to tank. I could potentially see this in a sport where the athletes bring in millions and millions of dollars per year and the sports governing body (nfl/mlg/nba, etc) brings in billions... But when the top runners only make hundreds of thousands (and there are very few "top" runners), there just isn't enough money in the sport to allow an agent to pay off a runner to tank to allow another runner to win!

All-time list: M. Farah 59.32; R. Hall 59.43.

What's your point? His HM is worse than his 10,000m so what are you getting at? I'm not a believer of the ventolin calculator but those times don't seem that far off.

reed wrote:

stats.gangsta_the_real_1 wrote:

3:28, 8:04 -> 63:00

3:28, 8:00 -> 61.29

3:32, 8:04-> 60:52

3:32, 8:00-> 59:36

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are you serious dude? none of those predictions seem remotely realistic. and without decimals on that 1500, you could be way off!

the only prediction that seems realistic is the last one, which you only got by using incorrect times (3:32, 8:00)

why even bother posting this crap?

Not sure why you're so upset and insulting about this.

What are the "correct" times that I should have used?

- He hasn't run a 1500m in ~18 months

- It's March. He set his PR in July

Seems reasonable to think that he might not be in 3:28 shape at the moment, no?

Regarding the 2-mile "incorrect" time, I heard he ran it solo with a significant negative split. Seems reasonable to think he could have run a bit faster, no?

Seems like it would be more incorrect to use his correct times. Fitness changes (especially over ~18 months).

For whatever it is worth,

3:28, 59:30 -> 12:42 & 26:44

Edward Cheserek was originally commited to run but found out Mo was running and therefore let him win.

Nice guy that ches, I cant wait to race him.

It never crossed my mind that this one was fixed.

If it was it was the most intricate fix ever.

First there were 3 guys ahead of Farah when he got dropped. Then when Farah caught Kogo, Kogo still made one more push for the lead at 20k and put a little distance on him. If they planned all of this out beforehand maybe our sport can be entertaining like WWE.

As for the splits today I'm not buying them. They said 8k was 21:44 which is 27:10 10k pace and 57:22 half pace.

14k was supposedly 39:13 which means they covered 8k to 14k at 28:10 10k pace (and during that part Farah got dropped by 12 seconds).

Now there was a wind of 12mph. I was wondering if somehow the wind was at their back at the beginning and then they ran into it from 8k to 14k if that was possible. But the wind was from the east. From this map

it looks like they ran east at the beginning so they were running into the wind. I'd like to know what the splits were.

Anyone have thoughts on the splits?

The portuguese commentators said something like 'we are not going to compare it [the 8k split] because it is not good'

Not sure if good could mean reliable in this context.

Hahaha puny distance runner was knocked down by a thin piece of paper. You just watch what I'd do, my massive pecs and delts would power me right through that, hahaha.

no mo fan wrote:

Sports is about irrationality and you have teams you root for and against and I'm against him. Never before have I seen someone move from a lane filler or the equivalent of a good bench player in the NBA to LeBron like status.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6388203

Since when was Mo the running equivalent of a NBA bench player? Before he went to Alberto he was making olympic finals. In the 2009 world championships he came in 7th in the 5k only 2 seconds behind Bekele.

Geneal wrote:

He tripped on the starting line after is was let go by the race directors.

Huh?

I think you are reading too much into the OP. I read it as, if it came down to 2 of Simm's runners at the end. Farah would win....not that they set up the run from the beginning with all parties.

Regardless of how crazy it sounds, you have to admit Farah has way more marketability by the gullible Brits than does Kogo. He'd get way more mileage out of the win and the european record (with a win) as opposed to 2nd place and the record.

mako wrote:

Are you completely out of your mind? He's 70 seconds off the WR in the halfM and you think he could improve the 10 000 WR by seven seconds?

Maybe it's just me but I think this race actually showed Farah has no chance at 10K WR.

Correct. No 59-minute half marathoner is going to do 26:15.

webby wrote:

Meb FTW wrote:

Yeah, 3:28 - 8:03 - 59:30.

Ventolin, what does that give for 5000 and 10000?

For starters, it makes 8:03 a hard workout.

Shows what a joke the "two-mile indoor world best" was and is.

habs wrote:

I have Ventolin and filled out 3:28.81 1500, 59:30 HM. It gives 12:44.36 for 5K and 26:47.40 10K.

Sounds exactly right.

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

habs wrote:

I have Ventolin and filled out 3:28.81 1500, 59:30 HM. It gives 12:44.36 for 5K and 26:47.40 10K.

Sounds exactly right.

you guys really think Farah is in 3:28.81 shape...in March?

I have to say, the thought did cross my mind that Kogo let Mo win. It doesn't make any sense that the whole race was fixed the way it played out, but it seemed like Kogo sort of took his foot off the pedal in that last kilometer. You could tell he had a lot more by the way he pushed in the last 10 seconds or so when it was clearly too late. I'm not saying it for sure happened, I'm just saying it doesn't seem too out of left field.

A less evil twin wrote:

wejo wrote:

It never crossed my mind that this one was fixed.

If it was it was the most intricate fix ever.

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I think you are reading too much into the OP. I read it as, if it came down to 2 of Simm's runners at the end. Farah would win....not that they set up the run from the beginning with all parties.

Regardless of how crazy it sounds, you have to admit Farah has way more marketability by the gullible Brits than does Kogo. He'd get way more mileage out of the win and the european record (with a win) as opposed to 2nd place and the record.

salsa chips wrote:

you guys really think Farah is in 3:28.81 shape...in March?

I don't think his current 1500 condition matters. People are speculating about his potential in the 5000 and 10 this summer. If he's not in good half marathon shape, then their guesses should be conservative. They seem about right to me.

anyone know where I can catch a reply of this?

Thanks,

Joe