shoe length discussion

I know exactly what you're saying about having shoes that seem too big and having to really tie them tight. Personally, I think a full thumb's width of room at the end of the big toe is too much, based solely on my experience.

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Perhaps you have a narrow foot and are buying a standard width shoe. Try on the Pegasus 31 (or any shoe that comes in different widths) in narrow width and see how that fits with a full thumbs width between the end of your big toe and the end of the shoe.

What matters is not the distance in front of the toes (as long as it's adequate), but rather where the front of the shoe flexes in reference to your foot. Just bend the shoe at the forefoot and note where the flex point is, which typically corresponds to where the siping grooves are positioned on the outsole. You want this to line up with where your foot bends at toe off, i.e. the base of your big toe. If it's not aligned well, your foot will be trying to flex the shoe at a place where it's not designed to bend. Depending on the heel to ball vs. heel to toe length ratio of your foot, you will have more or less space between your longest toe and the end of the shoe. Two people with the same heel to toe length may need different sized shoes if they differ in their foot proportions. For instance, someone with relatively short toes for their foot length will need to size up to get the right fit with respect to their heel to ball length and will thus have more space in the front of their shoe.

You really outta go to a shoe store not named Dick's.

A thumb's width is probably the most you'd want, but (despite my shoe store work experience) it's going to come down to what you want to use the shoe for. I am a size 8 or 8.5 but that's my foot size. Extra wide feet.

BUT, going to a specialty shoe store I learned my shoe size is more like 9 or 9.5 and that since I am only wide on the forefoot a wide shoe is essentially nominal.

OK, so if you have a narrow foot then other factors to consider are whether you land on your heel or ball and supinate or overpronate. Also, consider how long you are running (longer runs need to accommodate swelling) and trails (if your feet move around too much you'll get blisters...probably).

Just go to a shoe store.

It should probably be just a bit longer than your foot. Otherwise, your foot won't fit! Simple as that.

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General recommendation that I like is a half to full thumb-nails space at the front. this prevents the toes from hitting the front of the shoe while running which would cause discomfort. The range also allows for preference. For example, I like my shoes to fit a bit more snug so the half thumbnail allows for that space at the front while still feeling snugger. Generally people who like a lot of wiggle-room for their toes or people with wide feet (who still want a standard-width shoe) go for the full thumb. Its personal preference, but if the heel starts sliding around I'd try a half size down.

Racing flats/spikes are a different story (snugger, but you still want a touch of space)

For years I bought shoes that were too small. I finally realized it's better to have shoes too big rather than too small. As long as your heel doesn't slip.

No matter what people say, shoes do shrink over time and mileage. It's really uncomfortable to have your toes jamming the shoe.

You have narrow feet. Try wearing bulkier socks or try shoes that come in widths. I know New Balance used to.

Who knows maybe women's shoes run narrower.

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